Wilhelm Arcturus, he’s played internet spaceship related games since the early days of MegaWars III, and expects to get the hang of things any day now. He reports on EVE from an individual capsuleer’s point of view at TAGN.
TAGN: Raiden Aims at Foot, Shoots Self in Groin
2012 hasn’t been a good year for Raiden.
Raiden is a null sec alliance with whom the CFC has been at war for most of my time in 0.0 space, and that conflict has not gone well for them.
There was the start of the war in the north, where they were teamed up with White Noise, an alliance that fell apart and which has since disappeared from the sovereignty maps.
There was the back and forth grind of the post “White Noise collapse” time frame, where Razor managed to encroach on Tenal, grabbing a few systems.
Then there was the FanFest war, in which they were driven out of Tenal completely.
And then, just last week, after resetting their standings with Ev0ke for cutting a non-agression pact on mining operations with the CFC (part of the Venal war), managed to lose ~130 billion ISK in capital ships to a combined CFC, Ev0ke, and Brick sQuaD operation in the Geminate region.
Normally I would let things go at that. The above were operations in which I and my corp/alliance were involved, things I would normally report on at the level at which I saw them.
But since then we no longer share a border with Raiden and are not actively pursuing them in any way. To me, now, they are just another alliance in null sec.
Only they seem to have made such a phenomenal mistake yesterday that I am going to post about it just as sort of a very early “where are they now?” type of post, so later, when I wonder what happened to our former foe Raiden, I will have the information to hand.
More after the cut, which has some long quotes and a few maps and pictures.
So on to Raiden.
Somebody noticed yesterday, when looking at DOTLAN Maps, that Raiden had rather suddenly lost most of its sovereignty.
It is actually kind of hard to miss, as there is a little sovereignty change ticker in the side bar of the front page, and suddenly Raiden was back at the top of the list.
So there were some questions being asked. Early speculation that I saw was that they had somehow forgotten to pay their sovereignty bills, something that happened to Goonswarm at one point when a past leader went on vacation without ensuring that there was enough ISK in the right wallet to pay the bills.
The truth, it turns out, was even better… or worse… depending on how you look at it.
EVE News 24 put up a quick update about Raiden losing sovereignty, but had no real details. But in the comments, somebody posted the directorbot Jabber update that explained what really happened.
I have reproduced it below, with the sole change being that I removed the Jabber client IDs that get appended to each name, as they are long and distract from the text. The original is in the comments at EVE News 24 if they are important to you.
The conversation is between The Mittani and Vince Draken, leader of the Northern Coalition alliance who, at one point, was aiding Raiden.
(9:11:01 AM) directorbot: A leak of our high-level diplomacy IN ACTION, straight out of jabberlon5:
(6:07:57 PM) vince_draken: oooppss RDN
(6:08:19 PM) the_mittani: lawin
(6:08:22 PM) the_mittani: lawlin, even
(6:08:27 PM) vince_draken lol
(6:08:30 PM) the_mittani: dunno what happened there yet, my agents are afk
(6:08:36 PM) vince_draken: i can tel you
(6:08:42 PM) the_mittani: but consider me pointing and laughing at them anyway
(6:08:46 PM) the_mittani: i see the ankou left yeah
(6:08:57 PM) vince_draken: a few days ago they made the Ankou renter corp “holding corp”
(6:09:01 PM) vince_draken: ankou left
(6:09:04 PM) vince_draken: they then rage kicked
(6:09:06 PM) vince_draken: said corp
(6:09:08 PM) vince_drakenand oppps
(6:09:12 PM) the_mittani: i
(6:09:14 PM) the_mittani: wow
(6:09:24 PM) the_mittani: kind of like they rage-reset ev0ke?
(6:09:26 PM) vince_draken: way to check who your holding corp was
(6:09:30 PM) the_mittani: um
(6:09:32 PM) vince_draken: yep
(6:09:38 PM) the_mittani: this is too good to be true
(6:09:46 PM) the_mittani: can i broadcast this? ;p
(6:09:48 PM) vince_draken: sure
(6:10:02 PM) vince_draken: laugh is on them
(6:10:03 PM) vince_draken: lol*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
This was followed up by a direct message to all on the directorbot channel (and I have to set up Jabber so it is on at all times recording these announcements, I miss too many gems while I am at the office.).
(9:15:42 AM) directorbot: My people, I would normally never believe such a tale, because it would require a kind of incompetence breathtaking in its comprehensiveness and attention to detail – yet after RDNdot reset Ev0ke, their most disciplined ally and one of our strongest foes, I’ll believe anything. If tomorrow you told me that RDNdot de-towered all their techs because of a sudden obsession with Thulium, I’d buy it.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
So, to sum things up:
In a null sec alliance, once corp gets designated to hold the sovereignty. In the case of Raiden, that responsibility had recently passed to The Ankou.
Raiden leadership then got in some sort of fight with The Ankou and kicked them from the alliance, causing the alliance to lose all the sovereignty held by The Ankou.
And then hilarity ensued. The map went from this:
Raiden sov, pre-kick
To this:
Raiden sov, 24 hours later
Meanwhile, there were 29 systems in null sec space without a sovereignty claim. I initially heard that Northern Coalition was going to snatch up a bunch of them.
But at the moment, if you look at the map, it seems that an alliance called Rolling Thunder has laid a claim to the lions share of the systems. I do not know who they are, if they are helping Raiden, helping Norther Coalition, or helping themselves. But I am sure we will find out soon.
Such is life in null sec.
Sovereignty maps from the usual source, cropped by me.
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Rolling Thunder DOT was RaidenDOTs renter alliance, which is also held by the Ankou. I am unsure if this corp, the one that holds all the sov, will also join NCDOT or they will keep it as a renter alliance.
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Rolling Thunder = Raiden Renting Alliance lol
Not anymore. Apparently they're now under the wings of NCDOT.
=o
Totally unaccurated
I don't see Rolling Thunder keeping those systems (Mainly because Ankou will probably be going to NCDOT).
However, since I live in the region, here is my on the spot analysis, based on my study of whats going on at the moment:
Vale and Geminate will be likely be controlled by NCDOT. More than likely Raiden's current rental agreements, at least for the most part, will remain unchanged. The systems that are currently neutral will be seeded to NCDOT, possibly Evoke. F0rceful Entry may expand space holdings. Rolling Thunder/Giantsbane will have to heel to NCDOT or they might get touched in their naughty bits at night.
RDN is out of the north soon. It'll be just goons and pets (nc. – ev0ke – etc).
Yeah – they'll all slap fight like a bunch of pussies, but still. nobody posing any real threat to anyone else… YAWN
For now. You just had war up there and you act like it has been boring boring boring. These things come in cycles…just be patient….in fact, get out of the basement and go get laid or something.
I was there and TBH it wasn't much of a war. The fight over Vale and Geminate that was a war. Not complaining about cashing in on those tech moons, but it was not much a slugfest.
I hoping i'm reading you wrong, but are you saying that Raiden. pets fighting Brick n whoever else was more of a war than NC. fighting goons over tech? I really hope i'm reading you wrong but if not, you sir, are a moron.
Not a bad analysis… I would like to finish it with what will happen shortly afterwards in the area… NCDOT will try its best to form a stable coalition with what is left in the area. Which will take time. Then once the CFC is done getting settled from the last conquest in Tenal… they will push into Tribute, then Vale of the Silent and shortly afterward… Geminate. I don't think there will be much of a fight.. but you can rest assured knowing that plenty of posts will contain anti-Goon statements in great abundance on this site.
Once the CFC has retaken all of former NC space… I would think they should take a new name for their coalition. Maybe they will adopt the old "Northern Coalition" title. It would be fitting considering that their coalition is filled with most of the surviving alliances from the NC and would be occupying the entire north.
Yea NC. just reset everyone except PL and Evoke, so idk where you are getting this idea of us forming some "coalition". We are here to pew pew not blue up EvE. *disappointed sad face at the NIP*
And the cfc most likely will not be invading our space, yes they have the numbers to take out just about anyone, but as the last week in the tech conflict saw, unless they are defending their own stuff, their resolve is shit. Their fleets were dwindling in size and Nc. n friends were having thier way w/ them.
Hmmm… you have some good points… I would have to say that I agree with what you have said… but… given enough time… the CFC can overwhelm with their numbers. Especially when they have only a few enemies to deal with. Now that Raiden is seriously weakened and PL is running a muck in Delve… the next conflict between the CFC and NCdot and friends could prove to be very different.
You do realize the CFC has been continuously deployed through several campaigns now, and the pilots have started to burn out, right?
We went home and are recovering, but we will rise again if we need to.
Til then, BURN JITA!!!!
Giantsbane were reset at the same time as raiden I believe.
The ankou were the corp in raiden responsible (and in control) of the RENTER ALLIANCE Rolling Thunder. its not an alliance that happens to rent from raiden….the whole alliance is controlled by the ankou…..so vale will remain mostly in the hands of renters, NC. have ittle or no use for vale apart from tech moons, if they can gain the income from the renters…..then thats what they will do
Rolling Thunder is the (former) renter alliance of Raiden. and is (and has always been) under the control of The Ankou. Raiden directors are wholly responsible for their loss of sovereignty, The Ankou are entirely responsible for reclaiming it. Lesson here – think before you rage, and never fuck with an englishman.
Nothing like pissing off the people that are doing the Sov busy work for you. But, if The Ankou control the renter alliance, I wonder if they are just going to try and bring the renters over to their new alliance home or if they will exact some type of ransom out of Raiden.
Either way hilarity will ensue
Raiden moved out of 0.0 awhile ago. They live in low sec. If they get locked out of 0.0 stations it wont really affect them.
Didn't want those billions of isk worth of tech moons every month anyway.
Implying you need sov in the system to have the tech moon…
http://www.northern-coalition.co.uk/
They are really holding onto the tech…
Don't forget not to piss off ze Germans. Might cost you a Mothership or Techtower or two…
WHERE ALL GOON PETS
WE'RE ALL GOON PETS <Fixed>
they have lots of people still in that alliance, maybe they will try to take back some of that space?
Considering Rolling Thunder: Rolling Thunder was infact the renter-alliance of Raiden. Astraphobia Inc is the corp in ROLN that's used for the SOV mechanics. Valhalla Holding was a corp in RAIDEN that held the stations. Both corps are ran by Ankou members.
The Vale is jacked.
The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
TROLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs&ob…
Actually Ankou just left on their.. but nice propaganda train
ROLN was Raiden's Renter Alliance, formed for purpose and always under control Ankou (as Ankou directors were ones who come up with the idea of renting space).
Ankou decided leave RaidenDot for a less fucked more active alliance with more than just EUROTZ presance and even planned to leave most of the Vale constellations to Raiden. Raiden leadership got wind of Ankou leaving (on the heels of loss of x13) with some other corps to new alliance brilliant leader Kicked Valhalla Holding (Ankou's holding corp) and removed roles for Ankou leadership, not realizing Valhalla holding had Vale. Thus the Ankou is able to join new alliance with nice gift called vale.
Please excuse english.
oh we were totally aware of it.. and actually, they left and were not kicked.. get better spy intel
Translation: dind't want that Sov or isk or Tech moons (you do know someone is going to take your tech away right?) anyways.
I'm literally right now shooting a former Raiden Techtower.
I guess I'll give this one to my own corp, now that there are enough for everybody.
Actually wrong, Ank were kicked after we found out they were flipping SOV to Rolling Thunder (their alt corp), they had already flipped alot of system so by that time there was nothing to do.
Get your facts straight, Valhalla was kicked (causing the sov to drop) hours before ankou left (not kicked) and 10 minutes before a high level meeting was supposed to take place.
Get your facts straight… Ankou 'left' because our directors/fcs were locked out of comms and forums as soon as the rest of RDN leadership was told of our intentions, those being an orderly exit in one weeks time. No sov flipping occurred prior to this lockout and emorage.
Face the facts, your leadership have fucked up on multiple levels in the last few days and no matter how you spin it, RDN leadership is responsible for your loss of sov. BTW, have they told you about the 700 BILLION in tech that x13 stole on their exit? No? Wallets dry boys… the whole reason Ankou wasn't going to hang around another minute..
One of the big problems with Elite PvP . . . to many Egos. Raidendot are sooo funny sometimes. Sad but funny nevertheless.
well egos are everywhere, including goons and many null sec alliance not just Raiden. TBH i have to say Mit have the biggest ego out there maybe someone else idk.
he's just the one you hear about the most often
Raiden. has fallen due to its ego. Can't say the same for goons.
DelveGoons.
Nuff said.
yeah i dont hear rdn chest thumping beating, they standing for themselves, and goons ego is overflowing the north, even testies cant deal with their shit no more… i hope all these fags burn only good ones left out there is the raiden bros, fighting the good fight.
A fitting end to the Finfleet faggots. Enjoy low sec you traitorous fucks.
We love being faggots! Chuu chuu, chocolate train!
EVERY HOLE IS A GOAL! FINFLEET FO LIFE
If the Ankou are feeling mean they could lock Raiden out of their former home stations
I hope they do. Oh…and all those towers are now going to have fuel issues. It sure would suck if some of those towers with Titans and Supers went offline….
Rolling Thunder – its botting aliance. I have a lot bookmarks in every system, they looks like :
4xtengu @ (#planet-#moon)
No sir! We are not bot, atleast not all of us. Its true that there are many bots in the RT systems (and im sure that raiden would like to have bot only renters) but its not all of us. We even offered our small capital fleet to fight side by side with raiden. but they always refused so i guess they take what they deserve.
The sad thing is that either way Vale will not have a proper renting system for a long time unless NC. wants to fix that but i dont see why would they if they can get 1 bil for a -0.1 system, 2 bil for a -0.2 system and so on.
So concluding Vale is shit to rent but still better than nothing and i hope that NC. will either fix it or they will lose controll of it and someone who knows how to do bussiness will take over this shithole.
(Sorry for my poor english but i havent used english for some time…)
CCP released stats at fanfast that say GSF have the most bots in all of nullsec.
Funny thing is, it's always someone in CFC calling other null sec alliances botting alliances.
gif link or get out
Always nice to see a BoB/Kenzoku/IT/Raiden(delete according to flavour) pet fuck their masters over. I'd say treat the pets nice, but this is Raiden we're talking about. If they didn't learn first time… oh wait, they didn't learn the other three times?
You are still hung up on BoB/Kenzoku/IT? Jesus they are still controlling your game…still? I think you might want to consider a good therapist at this point. :p
Hey, Sir Molle is bringing back IT, OMGOMGOMG!!!!
I need to buy stock in tinfoil before it skyrockets B)
Shit is weak, HTFU BUTTERCUP
you will that IT has been operating with NC. and killing some of the remaining raiden pos
I work for my gaming…np buy
ing plex to pvp
I dont get what this has to do with Raiden or anything for that matter…
100% innacurate. Goon-aganda at its finest!
Rolling thunder aka raidens renter alliance will be nc.'s renter alliance so basically nc. have indeed taken the lost raiden systems.
NC.dot have a lot of space/sov, moon-goo, renters, (possible botters), pets (meat sheilds) and buckets of isk for their Tengu/SC conga line.
I am poor, nc.dot adversaries are poor except CFC (nipped), my alliance is losing? (I am losing faith definitely), Oh fuck back to ratting, and please buy my faction mods on contract.
It's not nc.dot you moron. That's literally ncdotDOT
didnt want that sov anyway
Sounds like RDN keeps making some of the most horrible decisions. They are the meaning of "you cant teach an old dog new tricks" i mean not to long ago there were incidents where RDN invited Alliances to help them fight for SOV in Geminate, but then were kept set nuetral and were shot at by RDN and told they were to fight to earn blue standings. how do u fight for someone whos shooting u? their logic is just gold….
Pro Tip: be nice to those who help you… might help reduce the backstabbing
I'll just leave this here: http://kb.raidenalliance.net/?a=kill_related&…
Bit more accurate: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13…
But, but Raiden. is an el33t pvp alliance?
I am sure they will recover their sov loss, not!
hi wayne, hi
Ooops, damn CCP I calll for a do over, filing eh. Petition reason>>Intoxicated meant to right click the corp below the holding : (
Pretty sure that won't work any better than it did when the goons disbanded BoB in the first place.
To be honest Green suits them much better on the sov map
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Raiden. … Fatality! =))
Raiden was formed by gutless cowards who left there fellow IT members to burn in delve with no support from the supers they spent building over the past year. All i can say is KARMA is bitch and you deserve to DIAF
Why you guys gotta hate on me all the time? I try to be a fair and a good person but you guys….fuck you guys =:( what is the fucking point? I may just kill myself.
it was a nice trip, a lot of fun and many many goodfights, it is a shame tho` it had to end this way…i just hope one day we`ll meet again and stick it to the goons the hard way!
fly safe RDN bros!
I was with Raiden. when they were IT. They were fail then and they are fail now. For the record though the Delve fall was planned by IT/Raiden months before it happened, They had the majority of their shit out of Delve and in Solar territory a long time beforehand.
Guys, you are missing a big point: Legion of Death..!! Blue with CFC now… They will most likely to move into Vale. NCdot will be crushed, with CFC attacking them on their west border while Legion of Death (and probably Evoke too) will attack on the east border.
And you're missing the point, that Evoke is very blue with NCdot