I’m back from Easter break, hope you guys have enjoyed yours. I got a ton of news to post, so let’s gets started shall we?
Raiden. Alliance forfeits Throughout Tenal in Wake of DekCo Attack – is Tribute Coming Next?
Rather than fighting an impossible war against the Deklein Coalition, Raiden. decided to completely forfeit the Tenal region. This eased the job for the Deklein Coalition to take the entire region in less than a week.
Last Monday I was doing my customary transit into Jita when I cynoed into the Jan solar system, which to my surprise was filled mostly by Raiden. members. A red flag obviously came up and I convo’ed a few Raiden. members which I confronted with a “you guys leaving?” question.
Tactical redeployment to a place where our (outnumbered) forces can actually do some damage rather than grind day in and day out at 10% tidi
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We held them fine when goons had 600-700 only, they blueballed us consistently. But once they reached 900-1000+, we couldn’t really do much.
Except grind a hopeless fight 200 v 1000. And that at 10% tidi.
Another Raiden. member quoted:
Regarding where are we moving to; most of it would be speculations. But if we’re not able/willing to defend Tenal, why stay in Venal?
You have to remember that Raiden is a very specialized alliance. We are ‘heavy hitters’.
We can brawl it out with most alliances in this game, and win 10 out of 10 times. But our 2,000 man alliance simply don’t have the numbers to fight a (now) 40,000 man coalition.”
Riverini: “I wonder if u guys ‘know’ something about the upcoming tech redistribution I might be overlooking?”
“That wouldn’t surprise me
I’m personally glad as hell we leave it… it looks stupid that a 2000 man alliance with no real wish for SOV sits on such huge areas.
You can’t even have sov in Tenal without having domination in 2-3 other regions.”
Yeah, I think that ‘lil ‘coalition’ we had going never even reached full momentum. Once Init and Ev0ke had no more Tech left, it was a no go
That’s at least the impression I had, Ev0ke, Init, NCdot, etc. wasn’t fully dedicated.
No idea where things go now
Give a year, and they’ll be fully back to 50,000 – 60,000 members again, this time with Goons at the helm.”
The BroPact is Still Intact
Although we asked our DekCo informant whether Tribute was next, an assessment they denied. Today, this came up in our drop-box, apparently writen by The Mittani on GSF forums:
Tenal Down in a Week. Now What?
Venal.
While we were at Fanfest, NCdot violated a six month+ treaty with us; they SBU’d BKG, dropped supercaps in Tenal, and promptly lost three Titans to us. We haven’t acted against NCdot despite them flinging our longstanding gentleman’s agreement in our faces, because our focus on Tenal required singlemindedness. Tenal is ours now – it is time for vengeance.
We will take NCdot’s Venal moons and distribute them among the coalition; there are 20+ on offer, a staggering amount of money (which is all the more reason why I’m surprised/amused that NCdot violated the agreement; we have only a handful of Venal techs, so they gained much more from the peace than we did). While we do this, we remain in CS-. Once this act of retribution is completed, we will return to VFK and turn our focus towards Jita – no, we’re not invading Tribute.
CS-. One more week. 20+ tech moons. Let’s get paid.
Note for spergs: PL and GSF have had a completely successful agreement, and we will of course abide by it and not be hitting any PL moons in Venal, because you’d have to be retarded and/or NCdot to toss such a profitable arrangement out the window for nothing. “
I’ll write an interesting Cosmopewlitan piece concerning the current state of the North, but as an afterthought I’ll just leave what I think was the crowning achievement of the former NC here.
As a former NC I must admit I am a bit excited.
- R
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I'll regret this but…
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Translation: The safeties are off, lent is over and I unblocked all IPs. have a day at it.
This can't end well.
OMG riv actually has a postive rep post for once. Good job man. You should put this on your fridge.
Ugh, last thing I want to see is another 55,000 member blue-balls coalition ruling the north…
Don't know man, I kinda like it even though am blue to Raiden./team tech – although for Merc reasons.
I loved the NC for what it meant: the NC was an entity engaged in a forever war, some times fighting 5 fronts at the same time. and it embraced a lot of players, specially industrial ones.
A huge decentralized mpire like the one I linked at the end of the article was something to be amazed. Then just like the great roman empire, the NC feel from internal facture and shitty leadership than outside pressure.
It will be many years before any coalition can hope to match the NC for accomplishments, size, wealth, influence, non-stop pvp and longevity.
Indeed!
don't forget the RMT as well.
I dunno, Goons are pretty close (Dek has the highest number of bots in the game)
Most bots in 0.0 according to CCP.
If you loved it so much why weren't you fighting with the CFC in reclaiming the North rather then fighting against us?
To be fair, it's just as much fun to fight the big power as it is to be in it.
The worst thing about the NC (and CFC) are the ratters. Not the rank and file who go on fleets, but the faggots who are the fairweather friends who dont fight for their space. When there is a deployment youd expect a drop in ratting; not so. While the sanctums and such might be clearer, the anoms are still being run as soon as they spawn
The NC had a critical mass where their membership was almost entirely ratters, and not enough willing to fight for the space. By tribute, a bare 40-80 people from MM could be bothered to log in; the rest had already fled to empire, worthless shitheads. If the same thing happens to the CFC, disaster would not be far off.
Riverini, were you one of them? did you leave before tribute fell?
"When there is a deployment youd expect a drop in ratting; not so. "
My guess bots
I think you called out a snapshot of Eve history, at a time of the tripartite null-sec when there was a balance between three empires and three different ethos of the null-sec alliance.
First, you had the NC, which embraced the “bear” way, using a core of industrialists to support a large force. This had some positive effects, in that it tempted a lot of empire-huggers out into null-space.
Second, you have BoB, which embraced the “l33t” way, using a core of high-skill point toons and fancy ships to exercise control over a coalition of renters.
Finally, you had the GoonSwarm (arguably RedSwarm) “n00b locust’ way, tempting flocks of n00bs quickly into null-sec in order to overwhelm their opponents via numbers.
When the Détente broke with the fall of BoB and later the NC, Eve lost a little bit – but hey, great thing about a sandbox is getting to build new stuff all over again.
get your friends gathered and come attack us
I love when people come to my doorstep to fight
Don't worry. You won't. Come join -A- and OH in Pure Blind.
goons simply destroy the game.
No, not the game, just your game.
meh, I reckon they make the game interesting, it's always good fun to see what theyre doing
They tend to destroy it shot term, but the mittani is a smart guy (I still think he's a complete douche) and he'll reset some people once Raiden. and NCDOT. are gone. I mean, there's only so much space one could have. personally, I hated the NC and I see CFC (read: goons) becoming the new NC. They even have all of it's old space…
It's starting to look this way, but if -A-, SOLAR, ROL, IRC, Raiden., and NCDOT team up, we'd have a good old fashion 1 on 1, mano a mano. Thing with the southern boys is that they like to reset each other once the fighting is done though…
"he'll reset some people once Raiden. and NCDOT. are gone"
no, no he wont because he needs 50k blues to get anything done
That's me partly hoping that something like the NC doesn't come back. I don't want another Blue Ring of Boring and having to fly through 4 regions to get a fight.
Welcome to your reality. Goons won't reset anyone. CFC is the new NC napfest. After all, Goons can't get anything done without fielding 500+ F1 monkies serving as meatshields leading the charge.
Admit it, you're not really Shadoo
Goons mission is not to destroy the game. It's to destroy YOUR game.
so fucking true
With the redistribution of tech and other moon mins the ability to gain them from normal mining will begin to lower the price and all that sov is going to cost a lot to maintain.
I would of been shocked if the goons and there pets had left tribute alone after all the fighting they need tribute to supply tenal and venal, tribute was always going to be hit and nc. has been fighting goons for months not a new thing lets be honest the mitanni is still chest beating from behind his desk got to admit he does it well but the goon momentum is now slowing as the school holidays come to an end and they wont make any real big pushes now till christmas (maybe the summer holidays but activity is always rubbish for all alliances in summer).
Momentum is slowing? they have taken 2 regions this year and took this last one in a week, how is that a slowing down?
both accomplishments where in my holiday time?.
Out of holiday time our fleets shrink and we cant fight anyone so he does have a valid point.
But we shall see
they were regions given up, much like they were when Razor gave up tenal and branch before.
Yup. Just 1 year ago, RZR ran from Tenal and Branch faster than Leroy with a VCR under his arm. Two whole regions fell to Raiden. and WN. without any real fights. The only fighting that occurred was from the Branch renters (UNIT) that actually stood their ground even after their "masters" had ran with their tail between their legs.
So yeah, "momentum" is sort of relative. It's easy to claim victory in battle when you don't actually have to fight.
1 week?
The Branch invasion started in late December/2011, the Tenal invasion started when Branch was done for – and is still ongoing mid April/2012 afaik… In my books that is 4 months, going on 5.
Tenal invasion started (by deployment) at the begining of April. Its been over for a few days. That's on the order of days, not months as your sluething would imply.
Holy shit you actually believe we're children.
The CFC doesn't need anymore space. While making sense geographically and financially, taking tribute is not worth the trouble; NCdot typically provides decent fights, and who would be installed there? Perhaps TEST, but then who would Fountain go to? Just doesn't make sense in the long run.
As for the blueballing…I quite clearly recall being in Maelstrom fleets and welping against Team Tech Titans…I also quite clearly remember getting completely blueballed from start to finish in Tenal. Both sides blueballed at some point or another, it's rather silly to put it all on one side. oh and DIDN'T WANT THAT REGION ANYWAYS!
And long term, I don't see the CFC turning into the old NC. I'm not naive enough to say it isn't possible; I just think the two are completely different entities. Uniform fleet doctrines, the most advanced logistics teams in the game, an extremely organized chain-of-command, along with some of the strongest leadership in the game are all things the NC lacked and the CFC excels at. And the fact that the CFC had the "pleasure" of watching the NC rot away, and can learn from its mistakes. Plus, I truly just don't see goons becoming complacent with their new found super wealth, especially with The Mittani at the helm.
the cfc and "the most advanced in game" do not go in the same sentence. Ever. They have the most logistics in game cuz they can throw the amount of logistics on grid as most alliances can put people, in no way does that make them "advanced"
He's talking about alliance logistics, not ships.
-_- well i can't read good, happy now d*ck head?? lawls.
Lol someone is a wee bit mad, Let me guess you are either In raiden or NCDOT.
sarcasm son, sarcasm
I'm curing the World: one illiterate person at a time.
get Morsus Mihi to rebuild and give them Tribute lol
just a thought and then bring back the NC! then IT can reform from Rdn and they can take Delve and Quer and all can go back to the way it was – the the DRF tho
<3
"I quite clearly recall"
Careful, some people around here think they know more about your activities than you do because of what they see on Dotlan or eve-kill.
I'm not sure "advanced logistics" is something to brag about. That's like saying you can walk AND chew bubble gum. And as for uniform fleet doctrines, most of the major 0.0 sov alliances use uniform fleet doctrines. Nulli with their panic geddons, Solar with their Alpha mael/HAC fleets, and -A- with their drake/tengu army. Hell, even RA has a decently uniform fleet doctrine of terribad fit Abaddons, which they can't afford to whelp anymore tbh. 300 mil for a T1 battleship? That's ridiculous.
well on the other hand that the abaddon is not just any random t1 bs u know…
I think it speaks to the fact that pilots never had to go far for ships, ammo, or mods. Pilots were able to reship or change fleet doctrine in minutes. Also the JB network is outstanding and fleets can move very quickly to hot spots. Also hat-tip to the capital team for keeping those behemoths feed.
Hate him, love him – whatever.
Mittani plays the political game better than most. He's built a strong coalition, the CFC pets/partners/best bros show up when Mittani calls for their support – that is why the CFC can put 6 independently operating fleets on the field at once.
Maybe some alliances should spend less time complaining about the "Goon Blob" and more time forging the diplomatic links that will allow them to muster the numbers to resist the Goons.
oh i do so love the "didn't want the region anyway" attitude, as basically it is their only way to "save face" and it's not even working there.
don't we remember a few months back Raiden, Evoke, and the bunch promising GOONS end? i love this!
Just out of curiosity how fun does the average Goon find 10% TiDi? Curious because as soon as a goon/cfc fleet arrives the eve's borderline unplayable. I know fighting them is a pain but how do the goons find it?
So long as they're smashing your nice things, 10% TiDi is just a minor nuisance. Kind of like Raiden's defense strategy.
Its better than never loading grid, relogging off and waking up in a station
raiden dot every godamn sentence ends with an emote, what a bunch of faggot fucking fucks
You should take a look at their forums then because It's just posting abortion after posting abortion. Raidendot is literally the planned parenthood of bad posters.
NC. are much worse.
~deal wiz it~
How bout this, lets just all blue each other and see what happens when 10k people start attacking everything on the jita undock all at once. Whoever downs the first concord frigate gets a bil v0v
actually, i'd be down with that…temporarily. and once all the concord in system is a flaming wreck, i say we all have a battle royal and the winner becomes the new king of space.
first goons are biggest backstabbers in eve, so NCdot did right thing hit them first, secondly the new NC is bunch of mommas boys who know only way they can do fuckall is blob the fuck outa everything, now im not saying dont if thats all you can do, just dont be smug about it. nothing worse than a bunch of sissys thinking their tough because thier all holding hands.
So, if I've got this straight, you think that according to this story NC. did the right thing by backstabbing the "backstabbers" first, thereby incurring their wrath and losing all Venal tech moons to them. Meanwhile PL are keeping Venal tech moons by maintaining the agreement.
Sounds like an ~optimal outcome~ if ever there was one.
Who have goons ever backstabbed?
lol….. you new to eve?
the goons of today are almost 100% different than the goons of the old. Both in spirit and leadership.
herp derp, they tried to stay bff's with red by coming to c-j and losing all their ships, than they went and bombed them once they lost space.
We're not taking Tribute because we've run out of allies to give regions too. So we'll just roll NC. for all of their venal moons and bump up our reimbursement payouts again or something. Maybe buy some more Drakes.
Everyone needs targets to entertain soldiers…. But no; goons are just a mindless mob -haha pubbies.
With more fights like this to come, I'm not quite sure Razor is going to be able to survive as neighbors with IRC.
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Nono is IRC going to survive with RAZOR next to them
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We hope they do.. They are great for US TZ fights.
Amen to this. IRC are always good sports and down to wrastle.
they did for years when razor was next door with the NC
All depends on if the blob rolls that way, clearly they wouldn't be able to be a coalition of blues 20k plus strong.
That was when RZR were actually relevant and able to defend themselves. It's been about 2 years since they can make that claim.
Razor used to be relevant, a formidable and founding force within the largest and most powerful coalition to exist in Eve. Nowadays they are minor pet of the Goons begging the Goons to give them some space like a dog begging for scraps. Its kinda sad to see them as they are now, a mere shadow of their former selves.
You sound like a Thundercats member, so your bitterness is understandable.
Last time RZR held space, it was space they deserved and worked for.
Now they've been relegated to minor, neutered pet status within the CFC. Tenal is being given to them by Goons. They wouldn't be able to hold any space if they actually had to fight to take and hold it. It's sad to see a once strong and independent entity having to resort to sucking Goonie dick to get their "homeland" back.
RZR still has some deep pockets and some VERY capable people. Their mistake was failure to adapt and embracing an old guard mentality that was resistant to the changing environment and leadership needs. Long before they lost tenal, there were prominent people in that alliance saying the BEST thing that could happen to them was to actually loose tenal and thus force the purge. Now that it's done, I'm watching you guys to see if it was actually the catalyst you thought it'd be.
A rebirth – going from superpower to becoming a low-level Goonie pet. Yeah… that's some potential. That's like if the USA collapsed tomorrow only to become a subservient colony to India then calling that a success.
you mean they lost drakes vs maelstroms?? no wai!!
Well now there are going to me cloaky fags in colbalt edge I hope your happy. Irc your a joke
You Bastards!!! You killed Kenny!!!!!
DAT SEBO
And this is what happens when we fight IRC outnumbered.
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lets all play GOONS ONLINE!
Goos Online!
Didn't want that sov anyway
You're the first moron to say that!
raiden is full of vaginas. >.< what now?
Raiden is not a pure pvp alliance.
your right, their players rat/run incursions and are forced to fly ships around and mine moons just to fuel their nasty pvp habit. its like a crack whore is not just a crack smoker you gotta remember, the whoring has to happen for the the real fun to start.
What I wanna know is, when do we get to bang Gina Torino ?
You know, the chick Mittens dated briefly in high school before she
moved on to Biff Johnson, whereby she broke their tacit agreement
not to date for 6 months but he never took revenge yet.
I hear she is hot now, and i'd love to get a piece!
Well Raiden gave up sov in Tenal there was in fighting over it. But Vale they will fight over they want that region i cant say i blame them so close to Jita good hi sec ruts ext hhe
Jita's pretty fucked up right now – VFK prices are better than Jita right now for most ships.
No their not and also to somedude Radain will run there too….so its all bullshit lets find some real people who play the game not bots and/or people who dont come out unless they are super cap supported or in sniper hack gangs………….Intrepid your the only people i respect in eve right now because you dont make up bullshit excuses or run away you play the game. I am in FA and most of the CFC is full of shit and wont fight unless numbers are in their favor……except FA because we actually play the game for fun and dont care if we loss ships…….IRC Looking foward to seeing you on the battlefield because your really the only ones we see on the battlefield and hold their ground
Kick FA
You got to love PL chicken shitting out and leaving their NCdot bros to die. First they blow DRF and now goons have them by the balls to keep their moons.
PL used to be relevant back in the day. Now they are barely a footnote in Eve history.
They're still relevant, just not in a power bloc kind of way. Every time an alliance wants to bring out supers to grind a structure and RF something, you always have to check if PL has their stuff hanging around within jump range. They're like gonorrhea. If you're not paying attention, you'll get it all over you.
PL always has their stuff in jump range.
all it takes is 1 guy to be a former Gm, and boom, stuff can be done that shouldn't work in eve. (aka nullified titans)
Now, to be fair, that titan was in a log on spot, and nothing can stop you from warping back to your pre-log off spot. It was really a case of no one initially tackling the titan. Old news anyway.
is that how gonorrhea works?
Well, that or some other STD/rash/communicable disease.
PL are mercs, this is no surprise. When the ISK dries up, so does the bromance.
They don't chicken shit out doofus. CFC made a deal with PL and NC. There was an agreement to leave each other's assets alone in Venal. One that clearly favored NC. and PL with dozens of tech moons.
However NC. proved to be paste eaters, and promptly decided that they didn't want that ISK anyways. PL is unlikely to follow suit and head to the arts & crafts cabinent for some glue. They have an isk printing machine guarded by the largest coalition to the north and west, and to the east by themselves and brosefs.
To be fair Nc. has been allied with Raiden far longer then their agreement with the CFC was formed and you invaded their ally. Obviously they were going to do something to try to help.
Elite pvpers PL claim to be so it must be true.. they have gotten sick of NC. following them around like a sad puppy begging for scraps..
In the end PL are old ex-goons/ bros by another name despite the dressing up in wolves clothes, having a few half decent FCs and more isk then god always helps too..
PL and NCDot are bros ? NCDot pay them to kill shit.
Just once I'd like to see an alliance lose and not portray 'the blob' as some cheap tactic. Especially when they've all used it. Raiden had that space because they out blobed another blob: now it's happened to them. It was no more or less l33t when they used it than now.
CCP needs to open up some more NPC space.
its more like raiden used the Anti blob ship in "blob" formation. Called Titans. A smaller alliance was able to stand up and win against an entire coalition thats 10x there size. Yes thats titans working as intended and now goons cry to CCP saying there "OP" because if goons can't blob it, you might as well nerf it.
Raiden. stopped using their Titans in battle well before the incoming nerf. They would lose them pre-nerf in battle, and they know this. Your point is irrelevant.
You blob, we blob, and they blob. May not be l33t, but it works.
Bottom line about the blob is that it's not so much a tactic as it is a show of enthusiasium from the members, they luv the FCs and they luv the fights. Can't very well tell half those that show up to go home, "we got too many today, try agian tomorrow".
Truly, if NC. had 750 players ready to go and CFC had 300, would they make 450 sit this one out? I know the answer HELL NO.
Then why blueball if equal numbers?
its always logical to risk assets in a pointless unwinnable fight, 2000 man alliance vs 50k man coalition, fucking retards.
Looks to me like the 2000 man alliance put itself into this situation.
As a former NC I must admit I see Goons taking over the entire map. Won't be long before they use -A-'s northern roam as an excuse to purge the map of them.
Did anybody else see Evolution rejoining IT Alliance? Bob coming back yet again? Be interesting to see who's gonna be stupid enough to be their pets this time around. Also hi Molle, you beardy quitter.
That may happen, but if history is anything to go by -A- will just board up the windows, move to NPC null while their sov is under attack and come back out when the heat is off.
Don't you mean that they will "purge" all of WH space?
I just cant see the reason for the CFC to attack -A- or Solar imo.
What we need right now is stability.
Any coalition that wants to be strong needs to build the infrastructure and maintain their fleets to the maximum of their abilities. For me the strongest alliance in game is Solar.
As we all know Solar and -A- are very good friends and any attack on -A- will bring the Solar Fleet by their side and i dont think Goons are stupid to do anything like that.
Nobody wants a WW senario in EVE right now.
Solar almost died, -A- has a storied history of fleeing to NPC space. CFC have had the masses of the super coalitions at their gates and repelled them. Anyone remember "VFK by Xmas" and the failed invasion?
I wish that CFC never heads to the southeast. They'd go down there, steamroll them so hard they'd retreat to npc space or throw some allies under the bus to act as speed bumps. Once a cowardly alliance, always a cowardly alliance.
You mean "holly shit batman blob vfk with with have and hit the forums hard! They have supers omfg arrrrhhhhh!" tactic? Yeha lag out game mechanics to keep sov, kinda sounds more exploit than tactics but hey.
CFC steam rolls? (haha) they fly quick reship and kitchen sink fleets which whelp ridiculously unless have over double numbers and dont get tidi high enough for them to keep thier kitchen untensils alive. They wouldnt dare get to far form home as it stops them reshipping, hence bringing everything they had to abort 2 baby titans and fight a 100man defense fleet.
Only thing CFC is good at is whining on forums to get nerfs to anyhting which can counter a blob – FACT! I just wish the game could handle the blob so that it was still down to tactics even with tidi maxed out, unforuntaly everytime ccp finds a way to counter blobs or lag, Goons and pets just find a way to get around it to grind it to a hault and be back to how it was
"Goon's, lagging out eve since 2003"
CFC are so unfair, they play EVE as if it were a Massively Multiplayer Online game. The blob excuse is so tired and worn out. If you want to play solo or with a few friends, hisec and lowsec are that way –>
"Goons and pets just find a way to get around it", yeah I'm sure they are sorry they are better at the game then you.
Move along please
"If you want to play solo or with a few friends"
I'm all for big fights but it doesnt mean you have to bring half of eve to fight it, the difference with everyone else is they use tactics, pilot skills, fleet compasitions to win fights, not just bringing every single retard you can get to blob a system out so it doesnt work – it might be a massive multiplayer game but that doesnt mean everyone has to fight at once you fucktard!
Ok, so what you are basically saying to the CFC FC's are to keep their fleets to a maximum of players (200 work for you?), based on the first come first served style.
Anybody who wants to X up for fleet after that 200 max limit should just stay in their home and rat or something?…
You should be more bothered to see that those 1000 "noobs" that the CFC usually fields are present every fight, tirelessly… even when facing a boring sov grinding mechanic…
Oh, and u should consider that even noobs are learning to play the game, they get their skills up and get better at the game… I mean even TEST has titans for crying out loud…
No i'm saying there isnt a need to have that many people blued in one coalition, lots of people can field 600-800 man fleets if pushed and they call in the favours of allies. The difference is a 1k fleet from CFC is the norm now, no matter what they are facing they take everything, lag out the game then cry victory – how their members have fun is beyond me as the times i've had the misfortune to have to fight them its wait wait wait until they get 1k people then they blob, system dies in seocnds and then its attempting to shoot or rep people with the rediculous lag….
Its not Goons being better in anyway, they dont have better pilots or tactics, hell they dont even field better ships or attempt anything new its pure numbers to overwhelm people. This whole "its not our fault you dont have as many friend" is bullshit, most other people would rather have a good fight, be able to move properly and actually shoot at what you want, not a slugfest while reading forums between targets.
The problem is Goons keep space this way, no way to counter it since they cry on forums to get nerfs on anyhting that can counter it and get RMiTani elected to csm to sway the nerfs – its retarded logic it really is as there is no progression for the game.
A simple analogy would be Goons play games with maxed out grafics settings on a shit pc so it plays at 2fps and wank over how the grafics look – the rest of the people lower them to play 30fps and play the game as it was meant to be played!
OK, I actually understand what you are saying but;
1.IF they do not field those big numbers and drop the coalition, what will they do to keep the huge space? Divided they are weak.. but together they are an unstoppable bunch.
2.The CFC Leadership and core FC’s are extremely competent. Nobody can really deny that, even though the Mitani is a douche, asshole, or whatever else you wanna call him, he is very good at what he does. It takes some big political and diplomatic skills to govern over such an huge amount of people.
3.Those noobs are growing, gaining skill… THIS should worry you… Really bad. TEST has improved ten-fold after their bro-mance with PL. And that’s just the beginning.
And now, let’s be honest… their fleet doctrine is genius. WHY would they change it? It’s working perfectly with what they are doing ATM…cheap, low sp requirement, high alpha, decent tank … and for that porpoise alone, the maelstrom is king.
So my question is, why would they change? ANYTHING.. ? They are not the wannabe ‘l33t’ pvp-ers.
WHY?
Just because your butthurt friends fail at diplomacy doesn't mean diplomacy isn't a valid strategy. What is "bullshit" is that you can't seem to grasp that every major war, every epic downfall of an empire isn't the result of some small elite 120 man fleet. It is diplomacy. It is always groups of smaller entities who gather their core competencies and forge an effective counter.
BoB,
IT,
NC
XxLegionxX
Goons?
All of these once great and mighty empires were undone by the uniting of smaller alliances to poke at the cracks in their armor. I'm not sure why you don't grasp how diplomacy is fielding a better fleet, a better coalition. It is like you are saying a lone rifter should be able to take down a titan because the titan pilot is cheating because he has amassed more skillpoints.
IDK if you realize this but the NC hasn't been blueing more alliances.
The CFC has blued one alliance (BLM) in the last 6 months.
At the height Xxlegion and the old NC were adding more and more crappy small alliances as fast as possible to bolster numbers.
The CFC has been expanding in terms of # of pilots, but not more alliances.
um uhh… tidi doesn't do anything except help the servers…. soo.. you wanna like think before you post?
It helps "players" be able to react to things ie being able to cycle guns and warp out etc or so it should, in practice it just means ships stay alive way longer than they should but yeah just helps servers :rolleyes:
Everybody wants that right now. Eve needs less stability. As it stands now, it's almost impossible for a new alliance to gain sov anywhere in 0.0 with large power blocs hanging around. Only recently with the fall of RA and xDeathx have small alliances gotten the opportunity to gain their own sov. Being in a large power bloc alliance myself, I think that people need to scale down the territory war and work on the fun stuff like HAC roams and the good ol' fashioned 100 on 100 fleet battles. You don't need 3 regions in order to support 200 people tbh.
well we cant have that anymore, thanks to goons bringing 500 man "roaming" gang out. like seriously, when your roaming gang put every system you fly through into tidi, it mean you have waaaaay too many in the gang
To be fair, once you get intel on a 500 man gang flying through, you have WAY more than enough time to either blue ball them or get a fleet of comparable size/counter their ship types. I mean, when it takes 15 minutes to warp through each system, it gives you time to come up with a strategy.
Yeah but theres usually another 300 man gang a system off and another 7 jumps out. The CFC has so many coalition members that even if they get 1% of their members into a fleet your going to need a high ass coalition turnout to get anywhere near those numbers.
This situation is now no longer a roam but a CTA
So get some bomber wings together and wipe out 500 ships while they are all stuck waiting for the gate to let them through into the next system……
zombie alliance, best alliance. lol
I don't really think GSF needs another reason to kill -A-. I mean -A- and GSF have always been at each others throats. With -A- roaming up north and the complete bitch slapping of goons RA bros, they have as many reasons as they need.
-A- cannot be killed, people can bitch about falling back to NPC null all they want but at the end of the day its their own impotence at killing the zombie alliance that gets them all hot and bothered. That said, trying to kill -A- is like playing an infinite game of wack-a-mole, it may seem fun at first but you quickly get tired.
Hey now, didn't you read the leak from the Nulli forums? They're facilitating the return of IT in Delve. Once RA is booted, IT is gonna move in and become our overlords again.
How can you possibly say that while looking at how much of the map Solar and -A- now have?
bob = it = raiden
he never play onli blabla blablabla and disbanding.
Goon space is best for small roam / solo pvp in game. I hope they get much more members with the space they acquired. Signatures tend to have bad drops, getting expensive stuff from goon wrecks is much easier and funny of course.
I wouldn't worry about -A- space and the space of their friends. If goons attack, PL will probably help them, but on the opposite side you have -A-, Gypsy, Solar who provide skills and many pets who provide numbers.
If you are fighting goons you are not getting expensive drops.
he doesnt mean t2 drops, he means officier and faction mods, which usually are on their botting tengus
I quite disagree. I've been part of the Initiative Mercenaries team that's been camping the BKG / LXWN gate on Branch for the past 2 weeks. We've literally made billions from their loot drops and salvage.
Seriously, we've been on the SAME GATE for 2 weeks now and they keep feeding us the kills non-stop. We've started referring to them as "CFC Spawns" and "Loot Piñatas" they've been so regular, predictable and just don't learn. They more than paid for the costs of our jump fuel and few lost ships.
Its the same at some of their Jump Bridges. Also they seem to enjoy suicide undocking
No kidding, there are dim-witted people in the CFC just like any other alliance. Its hoped that once you kill/pod them they will learn a valuable lesson about traveling in a system with reds. For the life of me i can't figure out why people insist on warping gate-to-gate with neuts in local. "CFC spawn" I love it.
Honestly, the CFC has more dimwits than most alliances, and Goons like it that way. When you're a superpower, you don't want pets that are strong, experienced and able to stand up for themselves. Because if they decide to turn on you eventually, you have a real problem on your hands.
What the superpower want is legions of useless meatshields that they can use to overwhelm their foes with sheer numbers. It's about quantity over quality. They don't want strong pets. They want weak pets that can bolster their numbers. 1000 noob F1 monkies flying cheap ships in your fleet will bring you victory if the other side can only muster 1/4 of that number.
Seriously, when was the last time that Goons fought as Goonswarm proper? The NC war from last year is pretty much the last time. Since then, the pets are the pointy end of their spear every time.
If you knew anything about goon strat. you would know they would hit those pets first hopeing thier masters would standby and watch. Just look at what they did with WNdot, raidendot, I know they are not pets of anyone, but look what happened, they offered peace to NCdot, and raidendot well they hit WNdot, NCdot was dumb enough to take the offer, and watched WNdot falter. Only to get a grip on reality too late to do anything but watch raidendot lose thier space in tenal. Now raidendot will likly watch as NCdot loses it's space in tribute.
Doubt it. Goons are fast becoming the threat to EVE null sec that the DRF were and BoB before them. While some of the l33t alliances have trouble blueing becuase their members bitch about blues its becoming more obvious that Goons are the largest threat to all other EVE null sec entities.
No no, haven't you heard -A- is the biggest baddest group of mofos out there. They will teach the CFC a lesson.
/rolls eyes
Raiden/nc.dot stopped using titans the day goons dropped on them with a huge cap/supercap fleet.
isnt that around the time of Radains retreat? o yeah it was pathetic people play the game!
because with logoff mechanics now changed, its smart to engage 200v1000 with supers. u can just loggoffski if u lose a few… oh wait… rdn didnt want to welp their whole super fleet for funs?
It wasnt RDN, it was NC. only sitting on a gate far too long and ran into cfc prime chasing a fight because goons blueballed as they only had 600-700 in fleet.
If it was the combined NC. and RDN fleet goons wouldnt have dropped it like they did, they waited 2 hours to get 1200 in fleet including 200 supers to drop a 200man fleet with 70 supers- while making sure they knew exactly how many NC. had andf that most of RDN had already logged off.
Such brave heroism from the mighty goons lol – but yeah keep beating that war drum of Goons bravely taking down the "evil" super blob, when infact there was barely 20 deployed and a 1200 man fleet failed that badly they only manage to grab 3, even after they manage to cry their way to getting supers nerf batted and no log off mechanics hahaha
The only bad thing about this is: NO SUPERCAP LOSSES. There is thousands of titans and tens of thousands of SCs in game and everyone is just scared to bring them to a real fight. RAIDEN was bold to bring them only when they were sure they wouldn't lose one even without remote reps. When goons brought enough numbers to kill a titan, they just blueballed instead of fighting. And all that shit after months of sitting on tech moons.
This is really stupid, so many supercaps coming to game, and losses just few. How come that loss of a supercarrier is a subject to article on evenews? Isn't like one of 10k ships of its class in game was lost? That should have no importance! Really guys, when old NC fought DRF, the supercaps were not rare stuff already and tens of them burned. Today, they are almost common item and what RAIDEN does? NOTHING. Just runs and hides.
U mad bro?
im still enjoying the fact that every rising to power alliance/coalition wants to kill aaa in the end. i ve lost count of how many times this whole purge the triple shit thing has failed lol.
Outside of ' -A- tengus come get KMs ' -A- has never been mentioned once to a goonie on forums, or on jabber. Remove the tin foil hat, step outside, watch someone drive by and not look at you. ..|..
Indeed -a- loves people hating on it.. shit on us.. sit on us … try to purge us.. we play for this shit… when the kills dry up and there is no hard fight to be had -a- fall back. In some ways goons are similar (except they can indeed only blob up or die.. or both). We are in the north purely to kill terrible terrible goons and worse pets. If the south is threatened nothing could make us happier to return home to a place full of people to kill.
"While we were at Fanfest, NCdot violated a six month+ treaty with us; they SBU’d BKG, dropped supercaps in Tenal, and promptly lost three Titans to us. We haven’t acted against NCdot despite them flinging our longstanding gentleman’s agreement in our faces, because our focus on Tenal required singlemindedness. Tenal is ours now – it is time for vengeance."
Of course there was never any intention of moving on Venal once Tenal was out of the way was there? Goons are always true to their word. Until it doesn't suit them anymore, then trump up some excuse afterwards. Engage an objective, tell everyone else your friendly and won't attack them, then once your objective is out of the way trump up some excuse to attack someone else.
Who the Fuck goes to fanfest?
People that can actually leave their basement, nerd.
"Goons are always true to their word. Until it doesn't suit them anymore, then trump up some excuse afterwards"
Do you read what you write? NC. dropping supers and SBU'ing their staging system is hardly a "trumped" up excuse. Unless I need to don a tin foil hat and realize that Goons must have paid NC. to break their treaty….
Gather round folks, and feast your eyes upon a live paste-eater!
"a 2000 man alliance with no real wish for SOV" – did'nt want that sov anyway
So let me get this sraight you abandoned sov because you thought you could not win due to being outnumbered…….have you ever heard of the alimo fucking play the game and dont bitch out nerds. Nulli secunda is offically better than you now because they are fighting RA how does that make you feel.
you sire are fucking retarded.
RA w friends versus Nulli w friends have pretty balanced numbers.
Red Alliance have more supercapitals, but that does not mean much unless you can somehow hold the field with subcaps first of all. It is, under very particular circumstances, adviseable to deploy supers to swing the battle in your direction, but it is risky and mostly not recommended.
Which is what Raiden did. No more supercapitals/titans deployed as long as the subcap battlefield could not be consistently held – simply due to sheer numbers and constant waves of TiDi-turboed reinforcements working in favor of CFC as time dragged out and EU TZ dwindled and US TZ kicked in.
This is no magic and no mystery related to this, its simply a matter of math – and at the end, a numbers game. I'd say 350-450 Raiden/friends versus 700-800 CFC/friends borderlines to 'heroic' (and CFC still blueballed most of those) while 350-450 Raiden/friends versus 1200-1500 CFC/friends, is plain stupidity.
Anyhoo, I believe Nulli have a very good chance of winning the war against RA – unless CFC starts intervening. Which means SC will intervene… and…and…and… this is where shit gets interesting…
You do realize that everyone at the Alamo died, right?
hmm.. Massive multiplayer online (btw i'm in CFC so its biased)… well so you're saying it wasn't fair that russia won over germany in WWII.. cause they had more numbers….
Thanks for the brilliant history lesson champ…
Are you mentally insane? Real life v pixels. You are so fucked up in the head with your pixels that you're losing sight of which is which.
BFF
[...] at EVE News 24, Riverini got back from vacation and finally posted the news that Tenal had changed [...]
[...] at EVE News 24, Riverini got back from vacation and finally posted the news that Tenal had changed [...]
Lol the comments from the raiden pilots are partly wrong.
-INIT was crazy fully comitted to this war with you. We did over 200 tower ops. RFs and kills. We showed up for every fight we could join, and we roamed the hell out of the north.
-Ev0ke were sorta inactive, and ncdot was very active in the US TZ(after they got their asses to H-W and comitted)
-INIT and IM also have been harrassing BKG for the last two weeks, getting hundreds of kills.
Team tech was gaining momentum, but then ncdot had to finnish the XIX contract stuff and evoke got inactive. and RDN kept using us as meatshields. PL were never involved up here. They have moons in venal too. We arent gonna save them just so we have a light blue ticker by them.
That rdn grunt u contacted riverini was full of no good intel. Go ask the alliance you are in about whats really going on, since we are *mercs* *pets* whatever you would like to calls us.
Confirm seen INIT is most Branch systems and good fights.
This sounds suspiciously like Sister Bliss' words… lol
But yes, I fully agree. I've been part of every major US TZ op INIT has been a part of since January, and many of the EU TZ. I've also been one of the top contributors to our cloaky Branch harassment campaign. I can quite guarantee that out of everyone in "Team Tech", the INIT family have been participating more than even our employers and their allies. Not only that, but , and we've been punching well above our weight in all ops we've been involved in.
So whatever way this war goes, INIT wins regardless. It's nice to be a participant in this conflict without being a stakeholder.
Well one thing is for sure Mittens played it right and manipulated shit to his advantage. Next Goons are fucking terrible at eve (Mittens Words) and they are it takes 300 of them to even think about fighting our 100 and they still get heavy losses, The goons are truly the zerglings of EVE.
I hope CFC resets their pets, they are unlikely going to get too many more actual fights if they keep outnumbering hostiles like they are, especially if they keep flying cheap ships.
AAA should work with NC./Raiden. to kill CFC, then complete reset, and actual pvp can resume.
IRC is so LOL! Their PVP is noobish.. Ok, sometimes they win a fight… sometimes.
so many bullshit.
They tryed to def 3-4 times, got faceraped and then turtled back to Tribute-Vale of silent.
And no, they could not handle 600-700 goons RaidenDOT retard, in the fight we were that number not 1000, 1000 was in local overall fucktard.
But i see:
General blob: terribad noobs
SC/TItan blob: pro elite pvp
BTW if you really didnt def Tenal for that reason, why you think you will be able to def Tribute and vale of silent?
Go die in RL in a FIRE
We will busy in April burning Jita, just wait
soon faggots, soon
Thank you for once again showing exactly why we all laugh at goons. Your mindset and arrogance reminds me of oh, say, old BoB? Funny how that works.
Safe to assume, english probably isn't his native language..
Discrimination? On my internets!?
Why does riverini always calls the CFC the Deklein Coalition? IS there anyone besides EN24 who calls them that?
lol pretty much : RDN: "We didnt want that space anyway"
Same thing NC. said when we blapped there titans….
tenal fell in a week ? try MONTHS DC was attacking raiden for months and got nowhere until the CFC was formed