Editor’s Note: The following statement has been delivered to us by White Noise. CEO Psikhoz KAHI, we edited it a bit to provide a better reader experience.
DRF Disbanded – White Noise. Official Statement
First of all I want everyone to have clear understanding of goals DRF Coalition was created for. We’ll go back to spring 2010. There’s 1 simple factor that nobody takes in consideration – CCP Politics regarding people who play this game.
Approach
People living in empire are used to wait and receive content given by CCP. Null-Sec is different. We are not waiting for CCP to give us something to play with. We play with each other, we use our own resources. So CCP approach is something like “Empire: we’ll give them some new toys or new playground / Null-Sec: Let them say what they want”. This is a correct approach. But as we know they cannot speak with every single pilot living in 0.0 so instead they speak to their leadership. In spring of 2010 the biggest player coalition was the Northern Coalition, they had approximately 70% of 0.0 player base. So it was natural that CCP took in consideration ideas coming from the Northern Coalition leadership. As an example, imagine yourself a country where most economy belongs to couple rich people. Government approaches these rick folks, asking for their opinion regarding future steps and they do what they say. Government provides these people with all resources assuming they know how to handle them. I assume it’s good for those rich bastards, but doubt that others would like it.
Technetium Moons
All Tech moons were up in north, under NC control. Only a retard would had given the biggest power block access to such resources, but on the other side it was reasonable for CCP to listen to the NC since it was biggest player base of 0.0. It sounds funny now, but back in those days it was justified with “give us all those moons, more people will come to fight us and take them.” Many alliances argued regarding this on forums.
Sovereignty
The Sovereignty claim mechanism was another big mistake made by CCP, because they again were considering opinion of biggest blocks. Don’t get me wrong, the old sovereignty mechanism wasn’t great either and required modifications. A group of 10 pilots in dreads could reinforce POSes and set it to timers that were most appropriate for their alliance. So CCP made things harder – 3 hours to online SBU, reinforce ihubs and stations 3 times.
The New sov mechanism forces the attacker to bring a huge blob with him for every timer and its all good for the defender. Long timers and the given ability for the defending side to change them in their favor easily breaks the will of attacking side, so its not rare for FCs to burn out as well as their pilots.
We play for fun. Waking up in 5 AM to RF another station is no damn fun.
Perhaps it was a mistake by CCP and they wanted to do things better. NC Leadership used their role in game and convinced CCP to do things in their favor covering all this as a “real needs of 0.0 playerbase”. So they got their diamond and gold mines, plus secured them with new sov mechanics. So next comes worst part. You don’t need to fight for anything as you already hold most of the resources along sov mechanics that works in your favor and blob that you can use. So let’s start making some money now! All this served as a good real life income for certain pilots.
Chinese server
Chinese server coming! – These are words people were screaming on the forums. The reality was that a Chinese server already existed back then, namely the NC with its ability to field 3000 pilots in single system. 4 trillion ISK – monthly income from tech moons and having vast resources in their possession proves this point.
Filthy bastard or poor hero?
When time came, Vuk Lau (Morsus Mihi leader) had to deal with one issue – send all resources to repel DRF attack or just leave it as it was and milk money out of tech while all of DRF is struggling with this new sov mechanism. Vuk and his friends never were military leaders, but they were good managers, so they did best from management point of view – milk moons while they can. Only real active military FC they had was Junior SVK. Everyone in DRF remembers him from fights for Geminate. DRF was using artillery abaddons with heavy triage carrier support as logistics. Junior figured the way to counter this fleet composition. He started to use dreads against carriers, he organized logistic of resources, capital production. While we were dropping 10-15 triage carriers he was bringing 15-20 dreads against and it was working very well. He asked for dread replacement program – 200 billions per month. Keep in mind that, at the time, the NC had over 4 trillion ISK per month from tech moons controlled by Vuk Lau.
Junior’s request got rejected, after which Junior SVK simply gave up, soon other FCs followed. Trust within the NC leadership remained shattered. In the final stage we lost 4 titans and killed 12 NC titans. 4 of those titans were belonging to Mostly Harmless. MH approached Vuk Lau asking for replacement, but they were denied. After this all friendly alliances just released veto on using supercaps against us.
Looking back, I want to thank all of you guys, those who went with us through this till the end. You, who fought side by side with us in achieving our goals, you gave second chance to me, to yourselves to play this amazing game.
So let’s summarize:
With the NC is dead, the Biggest blob in EVE is gone, and with it are gone those couple persons that were controlling all these resources. Owners of this “Chinese server”, that’s why we formed up – to kill this damn shit. The Second most important goal was to get attention from CCP. They said “Now DRF is biggest player base in game so let’s listen to their needs”. This is (paradoxically) a wrong approach, as you should listen to those who are active, not those who are able to amass large number of pilots, to those who really wants to achieve something in this game, to those, who want to fight, because these are people that will fight for resources, plan campaigns and build alliances and coalitions. CCP should question themselves “what must be done to get a constant war? How do we make people to constantly fight each other all the time?!”
Fights – this is the reason we all log in to this game and play. None of us logs in to wank in empire. First CCP questioned what biggest issue was, answer was – Lag! Now we can fight in non-lagy environment having 500 pilots in local, ask for boost of the node, then you can even field a 1000 vs 1000. To some extend, CCP started to pay attention on stuff that is really needed for this game.
Southern Coalition:
So who’s in charge of this block? AAA, ROL and all other shit, are nearly same type of guys who were in charge of NC. People who don’t want to do shit but milk resources from their regions and transfer them to RL income. Hercules, AAA leader – anyone heard of any fleet or gang lead by this guy? He’s pure manager, whose main objective is to keep control in hands of few people and milk money out of regions. People who don’t want to do shit for their members! They used same old tactics as NC did, for example Blob. 46DP – beginning of southern campaign, with 700 SC members in local, if we gave them 6 more months they would’ve brought 2000 members. 2nd NC. They were screaming “we do it for our members” – fuck no! I remember when we had 30 defense operations in Detorid, how many times SC came? 2-3 times. We gave them chance to get good fights but they blue balled. SC pilots should ask their leaders, what’s their purpose for playing this game? Claim everything and then do nothing? Claiming is a tool to achieve goal – get a fight, but not a goal itself! In fact most of the SC leadership was interested in resources as a source of RL income.
They were shouting about balance in game and the way they are keeping it, but it was a bluff. We all have been around for a long time and know a lot of people in other alliances. Somebody ask pilots in ROL if they saw where income from Feythabolis are draining to. Anyone ever saw a single ISK spent on their needs? 100 billion per month – couple thousand dollars, that’s why we came here Not to kill AAA, but to create conditions for their old, rotten leaderships in which they will be unable to manage block and will lose any interest of doing this since there’s no income any more. This will give a chance for new leaders to step up, leaders enjoin taking roaming gangs, people that really enjoy this game and want to play, not RMT. According to my intel we reached this target. Starting from this day all offensive operations on Southern Coalition sovereignty are over. The SC leadership structure is dead and the leadership that was not allowing their own alliances to grow is gone. This was a last call after NC. I can say that all goals for which DRF was created were fulfilled.
Now we have to deal with daisies that follow every big Coalition – Carebears, botters and other shit. All they care about is having couple systems to rat, to the point of being ready to bow to any master just to rat safely. Those types of parasites will be removed ASAP. We will not tolerate such entities hiding behind our back.
First step in this will be the standings reset to those small entities that we never actually saw in our fleets. For some time we will keep positive standings towards several big alliances like Raiden., X.I.X, Red Alliance. After that we will switch to our old tactics, set positive standings only for certain ops like fighting entity that cannot be dealt by single alliance. But I’m convinced that 200 properly skilled pilots lead by good FC are capable solving any sort of issues on eve map.
This is my goal – Make WN such sort of alliance.
Upcoming Sov Changes
CCP realized that Dominion sov system is a complete mess that makes this game nigh unplayable. For the winter expansion they will be changing Sov systems and probably will rebalance moons, you will be able to read it in new dev blogs. Every moon will be giving good income that will serve as a reason for fights. This will serve to smaller entities to fight for resources as well, the winner will get a good fight plus some nice income. Valuable moons will be spread all around EVE and won’t be concentrated under 1 region. This makes impossible for a single alliance to take control over all of them, creating a second NC to gain all these resources would be impossible, at least while White Noise remain alive. We and our allies will never let this happen. DRF will form up again to fight against such thread.
Thank you
Psikhoz KAHI – WhiteNoise. CEO and Leader of DRF Coalition
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You made my day, its been a while since i read that amount of bullshit in one single news post =)
wn accusing other peeps for rmting….rofl
as for the southern front…whats up wn? ur pilots got bored of the endless grinding??? lol
well we aint bored of guerilla killing u and no we wont come out en mass in plain sight so u can drop ur sc blob on out heads. the winter is indeed coming….
1. It's all the NC's fault
2. We killed them to make the game better for you
3. SC is the new NC, so were killing them too
4. DRF only exists to save the game for you
Hmm, i never realised the DRF leadership were this f*cking full of themselves, its almost as bad as reading something written by Riverini (although at least the russians can spell and use grammar, ill give them that).
Still it has to be the biggest wank written in a while around here, its funny how the DRF can do no wrong and are saving the rest of us from the evils of large blocs when they are the biggest bloc in the game, hyprocrisy anyone? LOL
Count up the numbers. CFC = 23k+ people, DRF (not including the 18k renters/non combat alliances, only numbers just under 20k…
then count the numbers of nc before they failcascaded… yea they don't fight blobs at all no way that would destroy your argument.
TL:DR but I took the liberty of fixing a select quote from the author…
"But I’m convinced that 200 properly skilled pilots lead by good FC with the support of 200 capitals another 200 supercaps are capable solving any sort of issues on eve map. In Silly Amerikastan the capitalists call that Blobbing…In Soviet Russia we call that winning
This is my goal – Make WN such sort of alliance".
There ….I fixed your verbal diahrrea of the mouth rant..
Bill O'reilly wants his no spin zone back.. he told me to tell you to stop fist fucking my internet spaceships and that hes the only one that gets to propoganda shit post and put a "spin" onto anything.
lol at the blobber complaining about blobbing. WN is all about milking their resources so don't pretend like you are better than anyone else. You blob and bot
Is anyone else getting flashbacks to the old "capitalist Dog" propaganda of the old Soviet Union. Are these Russians trying to relive the glory years of the USSR through Eve?
Sorry guys, come to grips with it, you are just a second-rate power now. And, yes, the Chineese are more important now.
Join -A- If you miss BoB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont let DRF and NC to take all 0.0! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Join -A- If you miss BoB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dont let DRF and NC take all 0.0! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love how everyone talks shit about White Noise, and how the Russians are communistic. I fucking laugh so hard. No one else in nullsec is any different than White Noise. They may bot & do RMT, but so does Goonswarm, AAA, NC did as well. You single out White Noise because they actually did something. They saw something they wanted, they went for it, and got it. Do you see Goonswarm starting up a campaign towards taking AAA out? Nope!
WN just doesn't give a shit if they're known botters or RMT'ers. They don't try and hide it, unlike the rest of you faggots. 90% of the people in EVE have tried using a hack, mod or bot. So get off your fucking high-horses and pull the stick out of your ass. Fucking hypocrites.
WN is building a reputation of nothing but epic propaganda. This is not the first WN alliance mail I've read coated in total bullshit.
They lost in the south. This is a retreat in the light of the fact that after all these months down south, AAA still exists, resists and holds a good chunk of its stations. Now with the rest of DRF leaving, WN lacks the balls to go it without some of its allies. They preach about how shitty pvp is down south compared to their glorious ways and yet they roam and kill far less than AAA. They preach about RMT and yet they have been caught doing it in the past at the alliance level.
90% huh? All tells me is 90% of the people you know have tried hacks, mods and bots. Personally, I don't know anyone who does any of these things.
"First step in this will be the standings reset to those small entities that we never actually saw in our fleets." translation – IEGEX, lube up and bend over.
You friend are a week late; or severely retarded.
you're deluded beyond reason….. seriously what a way to rewrite history so you come out of it the hero!
Ok history time…. The NC build up was a result of the biggest coalition in eve (BoB +pets) storming round the universe, invincible in their own self belief, wanting to own all of 0.0 and us being next on their list. We took on BoB in their own backyard and would have finished them off the first time if it wasn't for the timely intervention of CCP (system cap at 400 anyone?? oh and how many defenders are in their?? ah yea 399, cool!) and then contracting MC to invade the north just when the sov mechanics changed and they had built the MC a zillion caps. We have beaten off multiple invasions and gone on the hunt ourselves just about non stop. So leave the perception of the old NC being a bunch of happy carebears at the door on your way in por favor.
Ok as for the DRF's motives…. isk, pure and simple. Whether its for RMT or just pure isk who knows…. everyone has their own opinion on that. The fact the north is overbalanced with tech moons wasn't asked for. Wasn't lobbied by anyone in the NC, the same as the original imbalance down south was just shitty design. Just as they have done with SC's, they have tried to patch up a hole in the game but have over designed it and made a bigger hole. They will try in some way to redress the balance and probably fuck that up as well. The DRF are milking the north for what it has and that was the driving force behind the invasion. You can wander there at will with very little opposition whilst the moons are ticking over nicely.
The NC was fucked as a coalition, but not because of a lack of FC's or pilots. It was pure and simple apathy to the rinse and repeat of 5 years of living in the same space. There was no real will to oppose the DRF, especially against a force that can field 243 SC's and 50+ titans on the field (D7 bbq anyone?). The unity that was there under fred0 had gone. The communications between alliances weak. the best fc's frustrated with leadership and leaving (glad Pl got commanderincharge of the universe 'not another inch' phreeze. Some a little bigger in ego than skills tried a few times and whelped, moral sank lower and that was it really.
Yes, i'm a bitter vet but in all honesty I think anyone who was in the NC should be just a wee bit proud. It was built from a small idea back in 5zxx. Drove through the north like a train with the old D2 and had some of the best fights ever. Killing shrike how man times? killing bob as an entity twice. Even ex bobbits, the old school ones I bet are a little proud of what they did and how they ACCOMPLISHED something in this game and shaped things, How many of you bitter anti NC types can say you have done that?? Hats off to the likes of BoB who can say yay to that, in fact hats off to the DRF for doing something a lot of others couldn't but please….. leave the self ingratiating, patting on the back 'hey were here to save you all speeches' at the door please…..
+1
Well done to DRF for bringing down the NC.
If the NC was more war orientated and was holding on to their supers i dont think it would have lose.
-10 in propaganda WN.
Ask for lessons in spin you are very bad at it.
First off to say that the drf was using that many supers during the invasion is completly wrong. During the geminate campaign the only supers commited were originally solar and white noise with a rare xdeath and red alliance guy in there. Xdeath NEVER (please read the part to where never was typed
) fully commited to any engagements thus far. There presence in all the war fronts were very limited and not substantial compared to others. Thats a crap ton of supers doing nothing. Second, raiden showed up midway through the gem campaign wanting some nc blood. They openly brought supers as well. When pl joined the war was officially over and it was cleanup time. By that point it was known across eve that NC fcs, frustrated beyond belief that alliance heads were turning there back on em and not forking over the oodles of isk they had available, basically gave up defending and just focused on good fights. Ive said it a million times and will continue saying it… it wasnt the drf, supers or pl that killed the nc. They do not get to take any of that credit what so ever. The nc alliance heads killed the nc by pocketing what they could isntead of defending what they had.
the fuck is this
"creating a second NC to gain all these resources would be impossible,"
The North was worthless when NC first moved in. It became valuable by chance and they were lucky . NC did not steam roll others for good territory.
I Lol'd He's calling everyone else faggots for selling isk when they bought their super fleet from ebay and are now selling the isk generated from the Tech
Its funny to see so many NC accusations about "rmt made by drf" and "darned russians". Looks like majority of the NC faggots chosed to forget how, ur glorius gipsy leader, vuk was selling bil ISK for 20€, and was proud about it? Its time for the others to make some rl incomes.
Basicly, NC was kicked hard in the balls, drop'd outa businnes, and there was for a while new rmt boos in town, that stepped down for whatever real reson, and now – NC is celebrating "victory", huh?
There is a simple way to get rid of all those blobs. Including ex NC and curent DRF blob (They still exist even disbanded). MAKE TECH MOONS DEPLOYEBLE AND LET THEM SPAWN SOMEWHERE ELSE. That will make game more dinamic and won't let big blocks sitt on rasources forever. Make them move around.
This is funny that people actually believe the bs goons and nc put together about the drf…Considering a lot of botters were found in goonswarm, and nc. Not saying that people in DRF doesn't bot, but they were not composed solely by botters. Botters are found everywhere, and I really would not be surprised if we found out that the opposite of what everyone is saying is true. Goonswarm does a lot of botting. It fits their mo for one, for another the Goonswarm isn't an eve only thing. Long before eve a group with the same name existed in fps, wow, and other games. Plus in other games like APB, people who identified themselves with Goonswarm gave out hacks and bots for that game. Because these hacks and bots. Who is to say that they don't bot in EVE? Because THEY tell you they don't? It's just as stupid as believing that WN will cut off their main isk funding (renting) for their war machine. When my corp was in a russian alliance apart of DRF we were encouraged and rewarded for killing and podding any botters we found. I have an open mind, botters are in every big group and alliance and should be podded and THEN reported. Or just one up and hack the botting websites that offer programs for botting in eve online and place a nasty virus in an update.
I had no idea that most of the 0.0 playerbase we're such whiney little shits.
HTFU and stop being butthurt because you lost….
So basically none of the current issues the Russian backed alliances have caused are actually really their fault! It is instead the old NC's fault & CCP's fault.
I guess they do all the RMT'ing also because it's CCP's fault they are putrid pieces of work ?
I guess when you have always been screwed over by your own people you have to grab anything you possibly can to try to make yourself feel better. Even if it is only in a dying game!
people need to remember the funny thing about the drf. Alot of you should remember when the sov change hit, and atlas came in and took all of that space from red alliance. What did the other members of drf do? "we wont get involved as long as you leave us be" This being solar and xdeath. The drf once there bloodlust is satisfied will operate again under the same pretense. Its happened in every major war in eve… Big coalitions conquer and cheer, then sit and get fat, then say to hell with there allies when there allies are severely overwhelmed. Just give it time you will see:P
drf is itself the biggest harassment to the game, because they have the biggest part of bots ingame and can buy with RL or Ingame Money everyone, they want.
CCP does not go after the botters, because they need the Money from our loved russian botters. drf is the biggest fail and should get kicked out of the 0.0 or second best answer would be to kick all bots out of the game. But CCP is rather short in money, due to the finanical situation of CCP, hence we wont get rid of the drf botting nation.
Lies. Unless I see drf member alliances start killing each others supers, I wont believe there's a true reset. I think the goon above had the right idea… drf should be known as brf (band of russian faggots.)
Also, if there's even a shred of truth to what the OP wrote (and there isn't) then they have created what they sought to destroy. In all likelihood, they just wanted a monopoly on the rmt market.
Ccp if you're reading this how about to stop the monopoly of these technium moons bring in empire moon mining they're is loads in empire for everyone to fight over.
And as for the drf blobbing everyone calls it good fcing when they do it. If you want to find the real pvpers in these alliances find the guys who go out actively looking for targets and not using spy's to tackle ships for they're alts
Well it's like Kim Yong Ill calling Sadam Hussein a dictator
"CCP should question themselves “what must be done to get a constant war? How do we make people to constantly fight each other all the time?!”
Fights – this is the reason we all log in to this game and play."
that's NOT the reason everybody logs in.
it's a loss for EVE that more and more people think that way though.
hence the bitter vets.
"Hercules, AAA leader – anyone heard of any fleet or gang lead by this guy? He’s pure manager"
errr did u know that eve players may and often do own several chars for various reasons. for example why waste good training time for corp skills on ur pvp char..?! just saying…
How about we stop talking about blobs, carebears, supercaps, pvp leetness, sov warfare and REALLY EXPOSE THE "RMT" and who controls them? Expose the truth and see who pulls all the strings and puppets to make this all happen? That is real news and that is what people want to read and see changed. Making statements on resets and explanations on certain game mechanics are just bs.
Russians blaming about RMT
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
0/4 you were such on roll before talking about rmt
What. A. Douche.
How much more hypocritical can you get, seriously.
Russians blaming for RMT
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u mad bro? i think u mad
First off, at least imo, the drf attacked AAA out of revenge for AAA attacking wn from behind while they were up north and taking over what ever that region was with their csaa's in it. Second, if they really do have such a reimbursement program why do they not log on their supers and fight? The list of their confirmed super pilots is very very large and could have given a very decent fight. (granted the lag would have made it shit as usual) Lastly the notion of what AAA was seems off considering they had many many blues in the southwest many of them pets? (might be wrong on the pets part but I don't know much about that region.) I remember AAA telling us to come 2 systems over in our subcaps smacking how we would lose in the equal numbered subcaps blah blah blah and we jumped in to them and stomped them…. guess we aren't so much of a joke?
sorry i forget didn't one of AAA's major allies (rol) failcascade in the fail of a defence AAA put up?
Sooo post the proof that you equally had a fight and stomped AAA? Post the BR with your "equal" numbers…
ROL isn't allied with AAA and they didn't failcascade