The Cosmopewlitan: The End is Near
I would like to preface this perspective article with this with a bold statement:
Morsus Mihi has become the newest and largest Pet of the Northern Coalition. ‘Fear’ has been appointed as the new leader of the NC, sharing leadership duties with the head of the DC
The systematic failure of the Northern Coalition was sealed with the result of last week’s hostilities (or lack thereof) in the WH-JCA solar system in Tribute. A few days ago, Vuk Lau, leader of Morsus Mihi (RAWR), appealed to all of RAWR’s allies for super-capital support for the defense of this single all-important important system with it’s CSAAs and towers.
An Agony Empire reader sent us his account of the “battle” via drop-box:
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I’m a member of MM, I thought I’d share with you some of the intel I picked up sitting in fleets for 8 hours. It all started well, there was a great turnout for the the nc and its allies. Test, Goons, even -a- (which were set blue) rallied to come aid us. In the end when first major cssaa came out in q-cab, the drf rallied 50 titans and in excess of 80 super capitals (not confirmed but generally seems to be the consensus) . That is simply too large for the nc/allies fleet to engage, so 5 minutes later all standing fleets were stood down and disbanded. NC can simply not match that many supers, and sees no point trying. Moral is incredibly low right now, talk of evacuation. Q-cab sov is lost. People dont see the point of defending tribute if we sit around for hours and then get blue balled when drf rmt machine drops unstoppable amounts of supers in. However like me a lot of the non-care bearers will stay till the end, until the last system is lost. If we get kicked out of tribute, we will come back, without the care bear isk whore fat OR we will go find some nicer space, which is also been talked about, cough delve, fountain. (just rumors)
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The Northern Coalition leadership repeated the mistakes of Bobby Atlas during the siege of 0-W778 where hundreds of pilots rallied to make a last stand against the Russian forces. Some players waited over nine hours on the grid for the attack order – an order that never came as the leaders of one of the mightiest entities in New Eden simply decided to not fight because they believed the odds stacked too far against them.
The Northern Coalition deserves a severe amount of criticism for completely failing to understand the situation before them. This was their H-W9TY and they let it go. This was the long awaited opportunity to tip the balance in favor of the Northern Coalition and they simply let it go in a shameful act of selfishness and mistaken sense of self preservation. Even if the battle were to have ended in a strategic loss for the NC, it could still have become a tactical victory – inspiring NC pilots forward in the same fashion as the Battle of the Alamo inspired the Texan revolutionaries to victory in face of overwhelming odds. Instead, the NC leadership decided to back down and not even fight at all. While this decision probably saved their precious super-capitals, it lost them all of their space in the North and will most likely lead to the failcascade of most of the Northern Coalition.
While many would blame the defeat on the massive super-capital fleet of the Drone Russian Forces (especially with the addition of their RaidenDOT allies’ fleet), it hasn’t been a secret that many Northern Coalition industrialists, most of them from Morsus Mihi, actively built and sold super-capitals on the open market – with many (exact numbers are impossible to calculate) being bought by the DRF. In effect, the NC has killed itself. There is no one else to blame.
It’s easy for the core NC to blame it on the so called NC B/C/D-Team for failing to show up for fleets, but this logic fails when the A team watched silently from the sidelines as Geminate and Vale of the Silent fell with only the B-D teams there to defend. A quick search of this website or services like EVSCO further confirm this as the core of the NC leadership simply decided to watch from afar and expect things to resolve themselves.
Resetting Fatal Ascension has been the latest round of the Morsus Mihi blame game in an effort to keep a fragile alliance from an spectacular collapse. The truth is, Morsus Mihi has long been in far worse shape than it appeared to the general public. This is accentuated now with the resetting of allies in outbursts that appeal more to paranoia than common sense. According to logs (attached later), the reset is grounded in the lack of personal commitment from Zagdul to the Northern Coalition (i.e. spending more time with his Deklein Coalition buddies than with his Northern Coalition allies). Despite the fact that -FA- forces deployed from the Fountain and Cloud Ring regions to help with the Tribute defense. It is implied in the logs that Zagdul’s asking of Killer2 [RAWR] for more money to replenish the -FA- ship reimbursement fund might also have contributed to his dismissal – but at that point, everything degrades to pure speculation.
[spoiler show="Click to see the Logs"]
(9:32:13 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: yo
(9:32:34 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: The reason why you haven’t been invited to any of the leadership channels is because you’ve been busy sniffing up the asshole of TEST
(9:33:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: give me a moment. Any chance you can take a few and come chat with me. We’ve never had a chance to properly meet.
(9:35:17 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I can chat on here, not on TS at the moment though
(9:35:35 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I hate text. I was going to invite you to my voice comms.
(9:36:11 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: sorry, I just kinda woke up so still getting my bearings
(9:56:36 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Well, I have to say your words frustrate the hell out of me. I’ve been breaking this alliance’s back to come up and support the north and quite frankly cannot afford to continue at the pace we’re going. We’ve deployed multiple times to back an effort, where we’ve always been loyal and been a great soldering force. We worked hard when the rest of the NC was up in DRF lands to create a more sustainable buffer to the west by being integral participants in the taking of cloud ring and fountain.Anyone who participated in these campaigns will attest to our loyalty and dedication to allies. We’ve never asked for anything and worked hard to achieve what we have earned. Our allegiances to who we are faithful to have always been transparent. We’ve been asked to do little, however, of the “Guests” of the north, we’ve done our best to fly under the radar while remaining valued assets. Now, when we get a response like this, it not only kills all the effort we’ve done to support the north, it also doesn’t do anything to support your current situation of poor morale.
We have never been an alliance who kisses anyone’s ass to get where we need to go. We do our best to be good friends hard workers. Anyone who has taken even a moment of their time to address who we are as an alliance will do nothing but speak highly of us.
Now, I’m off for a bit. This was the first conversation I’ve ever had with you and I have to say… we need to do a reintroduction.
(10:05:09 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I don’t really care about the western buffer. Cloud Ring and Fountain were never under the NC’s sphere of influence. Cloud Ring kinda has by default now with WI taking up space there, but the rest can burn as far as I am concerned.
(10:10:14 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But the simple fact is, until a couple of days ago, you have made no attempt to get involved in NC affairs. I have not seen you attend 1 single NC leadership meeting, instead you were too busy chilling with TEST and you’ve made it very clear that your intentions are to be accepted into the Deklein Coalition
(10:11:58 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: wow. sorry we didn’t kiss the NC’s ass hard enough man.
(10:12:24 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this isn’t about kissing anyone’s ass
(10:12:42 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this is about showing you actually give a fuck what happens to the NC, and I’ve only started seeing this in the last 24-48 hours.
(10:12:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21338
(10:13:09 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20689
(10:13:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20938
(10:13:39 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20909
(10:13:47 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I’ll just keep going
(10:14:04 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19212
(10:17:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This isn’t about FA’s involvement, this is about your personal involvement.
(10:17:45 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Go back and read exactly what I’ve said
(10:18:28 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I have been waiting for you and I to have this chat, because I have to admit I have not been impressed by you.
(10:18:32 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: You’re aware that I just recently assumed CEO of the alliance right?
(10:18:56 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I’m happy to get everything on the table and clear the air though
(10:18:59 PM) [email protected]: This isn’t news to you is it?
(10:20:30 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Not just recently, at least a couple of months now
(10:21:01 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: and these past months have we not been being shot by dudes you tried to invade or defend pure blind?
(10:22:23 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I mean dude, you seem really informed on our participation and performance… so please, enlighten me on how exactly you think we should have either sucked up more or what the fuck ever. I mean… seriouly, sorry we don’t have a lucian to hang on the nuts in our alliance but I’m quite sorry. Fatal Ascension just doesn’t operate that way.
(10:24:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about performance, I want that to be clear.
(10:24:36 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But up until now, you and I have never had a chat
(10:24:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: And this is how you start one?
(10:24:59 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: You wanted to know why you hadn’t been invited into the leadership jabber channel
(10:25:20 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am telling you why
(10:25:48 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Perhaps I could have chosen my approach a little better
(10:26:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am still jet lagged from flying across the other side of the world a couple of days ago
(10:26:59 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: why don’t you sleep it off man.
(10:27:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: but regardless of how I approached it, my point still remains. I have not seen you around
(10:27:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I’ll go watch a movie, then maybe you can go back to the few paragraphs I read above… ask around about FA’s involvement then we can start over?
(10:27:43 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about FA’s involvement, I don’t know how else to get that message across
(10:27:53 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is about your involvement
(10:28:06 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: go get informed by the people in pure blind, such as FCON where we’d always help them with thier shit when it was always reinforced.
(10:28:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: or MH where we’d constantly help them with their reinforced moons
(10:28:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: ask around, we’ll chat later… tomorrow… w/e. but yeah… I’m gonna go watch a movie, hit the sack and sleep on this.
(10:29:16 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Just ask imperian
(11:03:19 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: As I said earlier, this is not about FA’s overall participation or performance. This is more about FA’s leadership participation when it comes to communicating with the NC. I don’t know how often you speak to Vuk, but you and I have never had a chat. Which is unusual because normally I talk to everyone in the NC. But I have always considered you guys more aligned to Deklein Coalition/TEST than the NC, and that’s because I saw an announcement you made to your membership stating exactly that is your intentions.
(11:04:18 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: hey man. Just don’t sweat it. go about w/e it is you do in RAWR to lead it and we’ll come continue to help.
(11:22:00 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: well perhaps we got off to the wrong start, people tell me you are a decent enough guy
(11:23:37 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I wish I could say the same for you dude.
(11:24:58 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: depends who you talk to I guess
Vuk Lau gives his reasons behind the standings reset. Also, this ends in a statement of Gentlemen’s Agreement resetting Morsus Mihi at the end.
2:30:27 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: RAWR is reseting FA for Zagdul being retard tomorrow after DT
2:31:02 AM Kesper North: what?
2:31:04 AM Kesper North: dude
2:31:06 AM Kesper North: seriously?
2:31:13 AM Kesper North: that had a lot more to do with killer2 being retard
2:31:41 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: ^^
2:31:50 AM Kesper North: all FA did was go to killer2 and ask how they could help
2:31:58 AM Kesper North: and instead killer2 took a huge smelly shit on them
2:31:59 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: but still, if people want to stop feet and wave their epeen
2:32:03 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: stomp*
2:32:15 AM Kesper North: and the only thing zagdul did was say “hey, i don’t appreciate how you’re treating me”
2:32:52 AM Kesper North: you should have been THANKING him
2:32:57 AM Kesper North: not saying “hurrr you’re a shitty pet”
2:33:01 AM Kesper North: he was loyal
2:33:04 AM Kesper North: and active
2:33:08 AM Kesper North: and you are shitting on him for no reason
2:34:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not about it
2:34:12 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not about that at all
2:34:26 AM Kesper North: Then what it is about?
2:34:46 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: read up
2:35:35 AM Kesper North: i’ve scrolled up 50% of my buffer and all i see is people lolling about the MH disband troll
2:35:37 AM Kesper North: dude
2:35:41 AM Kesper North: seriously
2:35:43 AM Kesper North: what the fuck
2:35:51 AM Kesper North: what has FA done to incur your wrath?
2:36:00 AM Kesper North: they are your loyal subjects in the most literal fashion!
2:36:14 AM Kesper North: they practically live in fountain yet they refuse to reset you! and still wanted to help!
2:36:44 AM Kesper North: even though killer2 decided to tell them that they were not wanted
2:36:46 AM Kesper North: seriously, idgi
2:37:34 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: (11:30:45 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau: RAWR is reseting FA for Zagdul being retard tomorrow after DT
2:37:50 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: he yet states everywhere that he cares about NC
2:37:55 AM Kesper North: “for Zagdul being retard” is pretty fucking vague
2:38:09 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: where FA involvement in NC business were next to none, but I cant really blame him for that
2:38:11 AM Kesper North: yes he does
2:38:23 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but stating he doesnt care about politics only ifghting
2:38:45 AM Kesper North: but vuk
2:38:47 AM Kesper North: he said
2:38:47 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: he is leaking private chatlogs on kugu in order for him to looks awesome
2:38:53 AM Kesper North: “i want to be more involved and help more”
2:38:55 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I am resetting RAWR for having no FC and spending trillions of tech for stupid stuff
2:39:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I will reset anyone for being such retard
2:39:16 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I dont fucking care what he said
2:39:21 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I know what he is doing
2:39:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: vuk gimme executive so I can fucking kick useless corps
2:39:30 AM Kesper North: you apparently don’t understand simple things like cause and effect
2:39:31 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I dont need suck allies
2:39:35 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: imperian stfu
2:39:41 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: no I am quite serious
2:39:46 AM Kesper North: WE DON’T NEED SUCH BLUES MAKING LAG WORSE
2:39:51 AM Kesper North:
2:39:54 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: 4s is one of them
2:39:57 AM Kesper North: wow, you are so out of touch
2:40:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: maybe I am
2:40:06 AM Kesper North: seriously vuk think about it
42-gcor-riu-stuka [[email protected]/3271178141307761562233] entered the room. (2:40:17 AM)
2:40:25 AM Kesper North: PREVIOUSLY, FA might have been irrelevant
2:40:31 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: at least now when NC will cease to exist
2:40:50 AM Kesper North: then one day, their leader comes to your 2nd in command and says “all right i want to help you as best i can”
2:40:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I can reset all the fucktards who were shittalking about my alliance
2:41:00 AM Kesper North: and your 2nd in command says “whatever faggot, i don’t give a shit”
2:41:08 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: they got a good point imo
2:41:09 AM Kesper North: so what is that leader then supposed to do?
2:41:11 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and then he goes and leaks chatlogs
2:41:18 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: FOR SURE NOT TO LEAK CHATLOGS ON KUGU
2:41:27 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: thats actually true
2:41:54 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: jesus. I leak a lot of ( useless stuff ) from here but that shit on kugu is on the edge
2:41:59 AM Kesper North: you’re redirecting
2:42:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: no I am not
2:42:13 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you are missing the point
2:42:14 AM Kesper North: the fact of the matter is that killer2 was way off the fucking reservation when he said that shit
2:42:21 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: so?
2:42:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: anyways, I am creating a new alliance and need an alliance leader for it, anyone up for it ?
2:42:39 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: can you imagine how many shit I got from majority of people here
2:42:42 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: including you
2:42:49 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: ( official alliance leader is gonna be Korenchkin )
2:42:51 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: did I leaked any of those chatlogs to fucking Pl
2:42:59 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: while stating I dont care about politics
2:43:22 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but still acting like the real fucked up politician
2:43:49 AM Kesper North: so i will concede that leaking private chatlogs may be ~dirty pool~
2:43:51 AM Kesper North: but
2:44:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: there is no but
2:44:14 AM Kesper North: killer2 did not treat your allies in a way that inclines them to continue to be your allies
2:44:15 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: btw
2:44:22 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I have like 4gb chatlogs from jabber
2:44:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: since 2008
2:44:35 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I will RMT them to PL
2:44:42 AM Kesper North: vuk, if you will condone killer2′s actions in this, the collapse of your coalition is your own fault
2:44:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: haha
2:44:55 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: if you had a private convo with me that you dont wanna have leaked, pay me 1bil
2:44:58 AM Kesper North: because the only thing he did in that convo was alienate a willing ally
2:44:58 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: dont try to twist things
2:45:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: yeah really good ally
2:45:25 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you dont know what happened later
2:45:28 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: FA is in a better shape than RAWR atm tbh
2:45:29 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: when I talked with Zagdul
2:45:36 AM Kesper North: what happened later?
2:45:38 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: well, even MH is in a better shape
2:45:45 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: exactly
2:45:47 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you dont know
2:45:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: anyway
2:45:57 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: why I even bother
2:46:04 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: keep discussing, I will just throw random comments into the conversation, dont mind me
2:46:12 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: aren’t you at work impy
2:46:16 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I am
2:46:33 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: k, just checkin
2:46:43 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: wanna visit me ?
2:46:44 AM Kesper North: well, if you don’t tell me… zagdul will
2:46:49 AM cei-callum545: impy
2:46:57 AM cei-callum545: nevermind
2:46:57 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: sup
2:47:02 AM rawr-4s-killer2: Will wait for Zagdul to leak those logs too
2:47:07 AM Kesper North: so if you want your side of the story heard, it would be better if you tell it
2:47:58 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahahahaha
2:48:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: do you think I fucking care?
2:48:06 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I can tell it !
2:48:15 AM Kesper North: please do! i am most curious
2:48:19 AM rawr-hirr-imperian:
(4:15:52 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: I hope you know what you are doing
(4:16:07 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: but to me it looks like you arent embarrassing only yourself, but also our whole alliance
(4:16:27 AM) rawr-[email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: who else is he broadcasting this to?
(4:20:12 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: well, do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
(4:20:34 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: yup
(4:20:47 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: (12:17:22 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This isn’t about FA’s involvement, this is about your personal involvement.
(12:17:41 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Go back and read exactly what I’ve said
(12:18:24 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I have been waiting for you and I to have this chat, because I have to admit I have not been impressed by you.
(12:18:28 PM) [email protected]/1814047901306562680234236: You’re aware that I just recently assumed CEO of the alliance right?
(12:18:52 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I’m happy to get everything on the table and clear the air though
(4:27:28 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: but basically you are shitting on an alliance which is in a better shape than your own alliance ?
(4:28:52 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I am not shitting on him
(4:29:02 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: He asked if he can be invited into the NC leadership channels
(4:29:35 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and up until now, he has not actively participated in any kind of NC direction. We’ve had countless of NC leadership meetings for a number of months now. FA has not sent anyone (despite having access to the NC leadership forums)
(4:31:09 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: well, FA is more aligned to goons
(4:31:28 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Well, more aligned to TEST really. But that’s the point I am making to Zagdul
(4:31:39 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: They have made it quite clear they want to become full members of the DC, not the NC
(4:32:25 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and that’s where Zagdul’s attention has been lately. Politically aligned to the DC while neglecting anything to do with NC leadership/direction
(4:32:38 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: and whats the problem with that ? look at our leadership and FCs, jesus even I want to be rather in test than MM
(4:32:42 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and now he comes in, makes 1 post on the NC leadership forums and wants to be invited to all communication channels
(4:33:09 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Not even Goons have access to the NC leadership jabber channel
(4:33:31 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: TEST will fail cascade soon, I wouldn’t waste your time with them
(4:34:45 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: you realize that Fa gave test a finger and told them they gonna stay with the NC ?
(4:35:01 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: I am not quite sure that you have an overview about what is happening
(4:35:07 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Nope, because Zagdul and I have never had a conversation up until now
(4:35:14 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: or you seem to have sources that I dont have
(4:37:26 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I’m well aware of what’s going on
(4:37:42 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: that test and FA are in a better shape than MM ?
(4:37:57 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Yeah, RAWR is sucking balls right now
(4:38:18 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Which is also why you should come back and start being awesome again
(4:38:41 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: nah, that chapter is over for me
(4:38:55 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: shame really, we could use you right now
(4:39:24 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: it wouldnt really make a difference, stuff is fucked for too long to repair it within a month or two
(4:40:33 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: The message I was trying to get to Zagdul is that I am not about to invite someone into the NC leadership channels if they have made it perfectly clear their interests are not with the NC, but more so the DC. And up until 5 minutes ago, that message from FA has been pretty strong
(4:40:57 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I also told him that this isn’t about FA’s performance. This is more about his own personal involvement with NC operations as the FA leader.
(4:41:30 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I don’t think he got that message though, perhaps I didn’t exactly deliver it in the right way as I’m not exactly in the most diplomatic mood (jet lagged)
(4:43:39 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: the other impression I get from Zagdul is that he is more inclined to share FA shit with k.com then he is with sharing with NC leadership. Most of the time I had to find out about FA’s direction and objectives from his posts on kugu.com rather than the NC leadership forums.
(4:44:30 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I mean, that’s his call really but at the end of the day it doesn’t really look good when he’s talking about sov transfers on k.com then 1 day later it’s posted on the NC leadership forums.
2:48:29 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: curiosity killed the cat
rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah [[email protected]/..] entered the room. (2:48:43 AM)
2:48:49 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and he cant leak shit cause ti was not on jabber
2:48:50 AM Kesper North: i’d say the cat is smugly licking its chops atm
2:48:55 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and he didnt recorded it
2:49:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but anyway
2:49:18 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I know to recognize a lying idiots
2:49:48 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I really dont have anything against FA
2:49:56 AM Kesper North: we were all loyal idiots at one time
2:50:02 AM Kesper North: FA is more loyal than most
2:50:07 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: not to RAWR
2:50:13 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: FA maybe
2:50:17 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: ZAgdul – NO
2:50:20 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but he is their leader
2:50:29 AM Kesper North: how do you differentiate between an alliance and its leader
2:50:33 AM Kesper North: wait
2:50:40 AM Kesper North: so he went to you and said “how can we help”
2:50:46 AM Kesper North: but he’s disloyal
2:50:55 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahaha
2:51:01 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: so I comes to gents
2:51:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and say how I can help
2:51:12 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I didnt do shit till then
2:51:13 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: oh gosh imperian is so seriouse in that convo, it’s disgusting
2:51:15 AM Kesper North: vuk seriously i am getting this whole stalin 1948 vibe from you
2:51:24 AM Kesper North: it’s not pretty
2:51:36 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I am getting Bush 2008 vibe from you
2:51:39 AM Kesper North: worse yet i have this feeling that it is now 1991 and you have not caught up
2:51:55 AM rawr-4s-killer2: it’s 2011 dude…
2:52:30 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and just for the record
2:53:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not really that important that FA is being reset tomorrow
2:53:07 AM Kesper North: I also want to point out that it wasn’t Zagdul who posted this stuff in the first place, he quoted a bunch of stuff in gfallies while trying to hold his temper. At which point it became prudent to just send the whole log to alliance leadership, after which it leaked.
2:53:25 AM Kesper North: So I wouldn’t blame Zagdul for it, really. Too many names associated with the issue.
2:53:33 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: when we will reset the rest of the shit-on-NC crew in enxt couple of days
2:53:42 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahaha
2:53:57 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you are really dumb kesper and I dont know why are you so fucking anal about defending Zagdul
2:54:08 AM Kesper North: because zagdul is my brosef!
2:54:17 AM Kesper North: he is a standup guy who works hard and is unjustly accused
2:54:19 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: good for you
2:54:30 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: than reset RAWR
2:54:36 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and stand up for him
2:54:42 AM Kesper North: and i’m really sad to see a guy who i thought was something approximately approaching the light of justice in eve to say things like this
2:54:44 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: like real brosef should do
2:54:52 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: light of justice in EVE
2:54:56 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: dear lord you are so full of shit
2:55:09 AM Kesper North: err, i’m sorry, was i unclear
2:55:16 AM Kesper North: i am resetting you on friday
2:55:24 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: lets disband and remake calling it band of brosef’s
2:55:27 AM Kesper North: that is what ‘resetting the NC’ means
2:55:33 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: every corp is to do wormhole
2:55:41 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: and jita ganking
2:55:57 AM cei-callum545: so we will be the new orphanage?
2:56:04 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: yup
2:56:07 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: we will be awesome
2:56:21 AM cei-callum545: imperian is the new snot snot then
2:57:18 AM Kesper North: anyway, i am greatly distressed to see how you treat your allies, vuk, and even sadder to see the way that your paranoia has affected you to the point of resetting otherwise loyal friends
2:57:23 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: well regardless to all this nonsence, it really boils down to the fact that MM did not pull there weight for the last 5 months and now were fucked, so lets look to whats next appart from whats happened
2:57:45 AM Kesper North: i mean who gives a shit about resetting GENTS, FA were legitimately committed to you
2:57:50 AM Kesper North: and instead killer2 took a dump on them
2:58:00 AM Kesper North: and sure, they got mad about it
2:58:02 AM Kesper North: but jesus
2:58:05 AM Kesper North: this is how you repay them?
2:58:27 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: kesper whats done is done,
2:58:28 AM Kesper North: you have your priorities wrong, my friend
2:58:44 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: move on andlets find something new to do
2:58:59 AM cei-callum545: play farming simulator 2011
2:59:01 AM Kesper North: rawr-tgrad-ronan-teisdari: sycophancy is all the rage in the new world order, i hear
2:59:17 AM Kesper North: gah, all you tgrads sound alike
2:59:26 AM Kesper North: rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: sycophancy, etc
3:00:32 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: kesper I think you shouldnt lecture anyone about treating allies and spaceship friends
3:01:16 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: kesper your 3 members in nc fleets leaves you inept in joining this conversation
3:02:34 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: and kesper you need to google the word sycophancy
3:02:46 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: “It suggests someone who brings all kinds of charges and proves none”
3:03:01 AM Kesper North: the primary reason for that is because no one could decide whether we were supposed to be in the north or the south! i literally got conflicting orders every day for two weeks
3:03:27 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: so stay out of it and stop making yourself look bad in a situatuion that you dont need to be in bud
3:03:40 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: in fact i htijnk im going to do the same
3:04:14 AM Kesper North: i am proud of you for going to wikipedia and reading the etymology section!
3:04:27 AM Kesper North: however you are not adept enough to read the modern usage of the word!
3:04:33 AM Kesper North: 1. One who uses compliments to gain self-serving favor or advantage from another.
3:04:38 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: IMPERIAN STOP RL WORK AND COMMENT HERE
3:04:42 AM Kesper North: 2. One who seeks to gain through the powerful and influential.
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Despite all Kesper’s efforts, who I can truly say is an honorable gentlemen, the conversation quoted above was more a matter of semantics than an effort to “fix stuff” and the inevitable decision was later announced on Alliance comms:
“MM To Reset -FA-
From: Zagdul
Sent: 2011.06.02 17:13
To: Fatal Ascension,Apparently, MM are mad I didn’t bow down to the leadership and tell them how awesome they nor did I give a fuck about NC politics and didn’t attend their leadership meetings.
So they’re going to reset us, even though we’ve pledged to assist them till they die.
If you have assets in a Morsus Mihi station, you’ve got till downtime tomorrow to get it out.
-Zag”
One would expect an alliance who has been holding a region for almost five years to actually try and make a serious stand to the last man just to “save face” if nothing else. But apparently, despite having profited from a region which up to 10 months ago has been the most profitable moon region in New Eden, the leadership seems to want to simply abandon it without a fight:
[RAWR] Killer2:
I’d like to settle the rumours about the future of Morsus Mihi and what impact this will have to our friends in the Northern Coalition. Some of you might have already heard that we are evacuating Tribute and moving to Delve. This is true.Morsus Mihi needs to take this time to do our own thing and rebuild from the ground up. We are far from dead however there is a significant amount of work that needs to be done as we have become complacent over the last couple of years.
With the evacuation to Delve we will reset our standings with the majority of alliances here, with the exception of maybe 1-2 guys. I want it to be very clear although we may end up neutral with each other on the surface, you are (and always will be) considered our best friends forever. I am looking forward to working with you all again once we get our shit together.
Thanks,
Killer2
Deputy Leader, Morsus Mihi.
While the future of Morsus Mihi (and the NC) has been revealed, some questions remains about the status of the near bottomless wallets of their leaders – one of which has long been accused of RMT charges (and whose february 17th sperging on NC high command was the basis of our april’s fools “joke”). It also remains to be seen how many corporations will choose to remain in Morsus Mihi after being toppled from the leadership of the Northern Coalition or if GoonSwarm Federation’s leadership, will start downplaying MM’s relevance and move to finally take the lead of the Northern Coalition.
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wow that sweaty leopard has gone and changed his spots – wind changes you turn
Good on you Mr R bravo I think the contribution you added to the demise of the NC is admirable your style of reporting has certainly galvanized opinion and you have single handedly enraged 50% of a community. No short feat and one which deserves recognition no one man could do more unintentionally.
NC does not engage unless they can blob the crap out. Simple but hard fact.
Seriously, they've been blobbing the crap out of everyone, and now they complain that DRF (aka the botters/RMT/etc.) are blobbing them. U MAD BRO? U JELLY?!
NC forces are not intrested in good fights…. if they don't have the numbers to outblob the enemy they would simply not fight at all(countless fleets have been stood down in the last two months).
What I find funny, and most amusing about MM's new strategy to become "elite PvP group" is that all "elite PvP groups" live with almost no blue list, and are often outnumbered on the battlefield and still manage to win, and these are two things MM has no experience with. So well it's a cute idea, MM's understanding of elite PvP is somewhat vague.
All that being said, as far as MM keeping a small or non-existent blue list, and fighting and winning outnumbered, I certainly won't be holding my breath.
Thing is you might jump your Battleship in, hell you might even suicide your Carrier, if you fly an SC you probably aren't that enthusiastic about getting doomsdayed for your e-honour but maybe you're still up for it. But if you're an FC in an alliance that lives anywhere West of Tribute you probably would quite like to have those ships still around in the hope that maybe by the time DRF are sieging your stations you might be able to fight and have a chance of winning. Rydis made the right call.
Nah it wasnt, maybe if they were using those Subcaps to actually win engagements I wold agree keep em there, but in the end all that will happen is NCDOT/Merci will eat them in and around H-W, PL will eat them more west and Raiden DRf will beat them north in Tenal.
They had enough to seriously hurt them if FC`d right. In lagfests Mom`s mean alot less than Titans, and its hard to kill alot of Subcaps with FB`s in lag.
So basically now all those ships the FC was gonna use later are leaving in carriers or JF`s back to hisec/Losec, they arent mounting some defense they are leaving for good.
NC always only fought if outnumbering enemy its why alot of peeps dont respect them as a power, they either didnt fight or came with 3x numbers 2 hrs late.
Is… is that a TEST dino I see there?
Whats the point in engaginig a battle that is already won?
Morale, to let your enemy know that you are fighters not marks.
Eve online is a prison simulator that uses spaceships as symbolism. Sometimes you might get beat down but its important that you let the aggressors know that you aren't a bitch.
When NC attacked DRF space in autumn, DRF were fighting everytime – no matter outnumbered or we had to jump in the system with NC.
We didnt moan about it.
nice news!
I'm wondering if after getting all Tech moons russians will lower the inhumane rents they ask in tha regions that prompts folks to macro.
100Milllion units of trit, just if u want to mine, billions per system, not being able to sell supers or capitals outside russian allies..etc….etc…e.etc
Why the hell would they ever do something like that?!? Some of the systems they'll be able to rent out are some of the best in the game for a rental alliance.
Not likely. Once they move into Tenal and Branch ( with MANY good -0.5 and better systems), they have every excuse to charge MORE to their pets, because there's so much more money to be made with much less effort.
I would personally MUCH prefer rat Sanctums in Branch / Tenal where Guristas are stupid easy to kill and tank, I can get bounties + loot salvage (which is not optional). Rogue drones are much harder to tank and kill, and require you to salvage after to make any money at all. There's way more money to be made by the russian bots there than they can possibly make in the drone regions. No reason to lower rents.
well theres no point in enganging 50 Titans…..within 10 minutes they would have fired 100 Doomsday and + 50 every 10 minutes. Add like 100 Supercarrier and 500+ Support to it and you know why every attack would have been pointless. 50 Titans just an totally unbalances number..
Well, now I know why they didn't come to help us when we were attacked. This explains a lot about what happened to Rage and MM and why leadership said screw it.
Lol at NC leadership.
Tldr: Killer_2: "I don't care how good your alliance is, I needed you to pet me and tell me 'everything would be ok,' months ago. You're out."
Tldr: Vuk lau: "I pissed away massive amounts of isk and sold our supercaps to DRF, but I can't take responsibility for my own greedy failings."
Point of irony?
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
LOL at NCapitalist fail.
yeah right, Lenin did an awesome job to his country. Oh wait… no he didn´t
some other shitheads fracked their countries and it was the shitty ppl of that country that accepted and endured all the shit. its just LOL to have a problem involving many many ppl and look for one guilty individual.
Go back to school. you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Lenin was an ugly fag you douchebag !
CONFRIMIGN THAT VIDOE IS VER FUNY
ALSO THAT REAL IST RIVERWEENY CRIING AT 1:29, I HAF SEEN HIS POHTOGRPAHS.
ALSO I QQ TEERS OF JOY AT VIDOE.
ALSO 1:08 DBRB HAF LOOSE SOME MANY WAITS. HE USE BE MUCH MOR FATTER.
ALSO KEEP UP THE GOOD POASTING.
ALSO P.S: THIS DO REALLY MAKE ME VER VER LAGUHING VER MUCH.
Heh, true that…DBRB is about 1 nyx lighter. Can't help but notice his recent lossmails aren't showing a fitted cyno?
We'll anchor a GSC at the spot his nyx went down so he can pay his respects.
"They accidentally my Spaceship Empire" wahahaha
so they couldn't win in tribute they decide to come nad bully us in delve. Mean Mean Mean
How do we defend ourselves against someone who won't log in anyway? We cannot win in the field against such tactics.
Personally I would love to see an end to ALL of the Mega-Coalitions as they really do nothing for the majority of the player base & most if not all of them are involved in RMT activities which should have seen them banned by now! (Makes you wonder if the ladder to the top goes even further than just the player-base that is involved as it wouldn't be the first time a CCP employee did something that could possibly harm the game)
There are still people within the NC that believe things are not as bad as they look & that its not all over.. How they can seriously think this has me very confused as it is painfully apparent that the people with the most ISK have already got their stuff out. ALL the little people (GRUNTS) still have a lot of their stuff there so it isn't too hard to work out who will be the big losers in the end within the NC.
I think there is a few things this war will end up doing apart from making areas/regions of space change hands:
1). Super Capital nerf. (This is an odds on bet now & it is now just a matter of how bad the nerf will be. Limiting FB's to being able to shot capital ships only wouldn't be a bad start & it seems that might be the way the Devs are thinking also for starters),
2). Possible Moon Changes (Who knows what CCP will do though as they have known the distribution of the valuable moons has been out of whack since day 1 & have done close to nothing about it)
3). JB changes (I will guess that CCP are not going to be happy with ANYONE having JB networks that span many many regions & personally I would like to see them removed completely & I think CCP are going in that very direction only 1 step at a time to try to avoid the backlash).
It isn't hard to see just how many people have called it a day for this war by having a look in fleet finder on the NC side, in contrast looking at the Fleet finder on the other side would be showing a whole different story. The Russian Coalitions in the past have however shown that they are very good at blitzing a system or region but they have lacked the backing up of it all.
WILL their approach to holding onto their NEW space be different this time round or will it end up with Russians at each other throats because one wants what the other doesn't want to give? (GREED Gets them EVERY time & is behind many downfalls both in RL & in games!)
1) With a large portion of the CSM on the lowside of the super cap proliferation I have no doubt they will all be pushing harder then ever for somekinda nerf.
2) I'm not sure this will happen, and i'm not sure it should happen, the reasoning why was touched on by you yourself later on in your post. People are greedy, and if they think they can they will hold onto valuable moons, and tell whoever else to "beat it", this will draw divisions, and maybe create wars, if all space is equal your more likly to have people content with what they have and signing NIP's with everyone, we're playing a war game, and anything that promotes war is a good thing, and CCP thinks the same way.
3) I'd love to see no JB's, I played when there were no JB's, and it was great, I love the idea of fighting with neighbors. CCP would need to buff 0.0 indy to make it work well, but mittani would fight tooth and nail to not see something like this happen, which is why I have started to hate CSM recently. With CSM being mostly of alliance leads of some capacity they are looking out for themselves(alliances/coalition) more then whats best for the game.
1) I agree, supers need changes IMHO, mainly in regard to 2 aspects: the ability of supercarriers to fight off subcaps, and the fact that ATM the only counter to a super fleet is a bigger super fleet.
2) moons need to be changed, not in the way of all space being equal, but at least something more evenly spread than Tech.
3)I'm not sure why ppl are so much against JBs. Lack of JBs wouldn't affect fleet deployments much. Let's face it, if you run a coalition strong enough to invade some guys 10 regions away, you can either afford a cache of fleet ships and JCs nearby or have the necessary titans in place. The guys that will be the most affected by a lack of JBs would be the lower rank grunts, the ones that don't have carriers/Jfs/titans and have move their stuff the hard way. Make it difficult enough for them and they will leave 0.0. Do we really want less people in 0.0?
1. Agreed. Supers are way overpowered. It sucks to say and may sound like a cop-out, but whoever has the most supers wins Eve. End of story. It's been proven as true in engagement after engagement, regardless who the winner is.
2. Agreed again. Either the valuable moons need to be distributed more evenly, and some depletion mechanism needs to be implemented so that cash cows aren't going to be cash cows forever.
3. I like the option of JBs, and don't really like the new rules for them. As you said, the only people this nerf affects are the little guys who are trying to eek out an existance. It will have little effect on large engagements as CCP claims. However, if they could extend the jump range of JBs along with the new mechanics, I'd be ok with the new changes. It would "increase risk" as they stated it, but offer some concession over the fuel capacity.
Well, actually raidendot, NCdot, and PL beat NC forces well they had titans/SC advantage on the field and jammers up. Battle for 3G-LHB on the 25th is a perfect example, NC had 5 titans, and 20ish SC's, and raidendot/NCdot/PL were clearly winning before the jammer fell, it's actually well documented on this very site with teamspeak/jabber recordings.
I find it somewhat funny that NC fanboies are now saying that "valuable moons need to be distributed more evenly"
This wasnt a problem when NC had most supers, Tech Moons were in there control and they could make JB`s galore throughout there entire chain of all the north.
Alot of us brought these things up, esp moons but we were flamed because we "Didnt own them" and the common answer was "Go take Sov stop whinning"
Also NC has enough to fight with they just wont pull the trigger, its the exact reason BOB died, to scared to use supers and the invader isnt, But supers arent ship killers as much as TCU killers, but in a huge Lag battle the FB`s will stay on target sometimes 30-40 minutes after target is dead, Its Titans that are OP in Lagfests they Cycle sometimes as much as the subcaps.
3) Every resource I earn will be be lowered or ended after some time -> why moons not exhausted after some month of moon mining and respawn like wormholes, scattered over the whole eve universe. That will be funny to found and concuered it again . . .
"Oops – where did it gone – is there anybody who saw my moon?"
1st argument is crap, and mainly repeatid by guys who have heard it over and over but never fought it.
50 SC`s will get whomped by 600 BS`s end of story.
2nd When we were talking Tech and the NC was all good every NC member was calling us whiners etc lol.
Have you ever seen a 50 man supercap blob defeated by BS?
If so, please do post killmails.
From my experience it goes something like this usually: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=98…
Ask anyone competent in SC warfare reason you dont see it is so far the blobbing side are worse than the SC Side and also the DRF has brought alot of subcaps as well.
600 Maels kill a 30 mil EHP Mom very fast, so you can tsay there is no counter, its simply not true, Tons of times the "Expert SC" side didnt even bring SC`s because they knew they would lose.
On Kugu we had exact argument and everyone from both sides admits 50 SC`s without subcap support gets whomped by 600+ Subcap BS`s
Also BTW your KM is crap, there are only 210, + only about 80 real BS`s the rest are ECM boats that do nothing to a SC, so out of the 210 the average DPS is around 400, a proper Hellcat does 800 DPS w/o drones and Maels do 650, now add 400 More and you will PWN, ESP since Fb`s do terrible in lag.
Thats another thing FB`s are horrible in Lag making Titans great but Moms not so good unless its smaller war or hotdrops.
BOBit serious question`s do you have SC experience? Do you own a SC? What alliance are you in?
the problem is, if you bring 600 Maels, you`ll have massive lag. And in a massive lag you can forget the Maels, because they woun`t bring enough damage.
On the other hand the FB`s of a SC will do dmg even in the Biggest lag. Of course 50 SC woun`t kill 600 BS that easily, but neither will 600 BS kill 50 SC that easily because of Lag.
And lets be honest, nowadays a SC Blob has at least 120-200 SCs (and some titans and ofc subcap support). So if you don`t bring more SCs, it dosen`t matter how many BS you`ll have, they will die in lag while the SC FB will do damage constantly.
Maels do better than other ships BTW, also lol at the 120 SC`s being normal SC Blob.
Arty is best in Lag because everyones cycles suck and arent at all evenly lagged so the ship that activates 1 time and does 10k per hit always beats the one doing 1800 Alpha with high DPS in lag DPS doesnt matter Alpha does thats why Titans win and Arty wins.
Of course there isn't going to be 50 SC and that's it. It's usually more like 50 SC and 2-300 support.
And for the record, I do own a SC.
I still have to see a single battle report where a super fleet was countered by subcaps.
Look at the fights the NC were winning before Pl got involved the reason the were winning was there massive subcap fleets, that is fact.
Do you own Titan or Mom? And what alliance again?
umadriverini? umadbro?
Not a big fan of the NC and I am glad they are finally dead. But if i was a FC i would not suicide a fleet into 100+ super caps either, so stop crying that you were not able to F1 on more mails. War was over once Vale was lost, old NC does not exist anymore.
Agreed 100%. And I also agree with the article above. The reason why the Vale fell was there was zero, none, zilch support from the rest of the NC. Thank god a lot of us saw the writing on the wall when we kept asking for support and none was given. Thanks for the warning MM, your inaction saved a lot of us ships and isk because we left before you and the rest of the NC fail cascaded.
You think you weren't a fan of the NC, you'll loathe the Russians taking monopoly of those moons. They are in this for REAL life money, to sell isk. Why do you think they were fielding fleets with nothing but 2 billion isk tengus and monsterous super capital fleets, at such an incredible intensity? What about the CCP source code hacks and heavy amounts of bot usage? Because they know no gamer could put up that kind of resistance, this is real business.
They'll hike up that Technetium price and buy up every last drop on the market with what Trina Forrest stole from ME (about 670 billion isk). All we can hope is that these Russians get kicked by CCP, or game mechanics change so that none of this can happen again.
The NC WILL rise again.
BTW, take a tour through vale, it's dead. The Russians aren't using the space, they just want the moons.
-FA- is NC, not DC, however we have enjoyed DC's leadership and have been more inclined to them.
Despite catering to the western portion of the north, we never faltered our loyalty to our old BFF's in the north. We will always remain loyal allies and continue to press forward with our alliance maintaining the utmost integrity.
I must say, when i was part of the leadership of defi4nt during our stay in FA space, they was very loyal allies and helped us out.
When one of our members lost a JF to some NC members purposely trying to hunt FA allies in FA space, FA refused to back down and removed jump and station rights for the alliance involved.
FA are great people (yes i prefered their old leader, but you seem alright aswell zagdul) but they seem always intent on helping out their friends, even if the communication was lacking in diplo channels they always will and always will jump into a ship to save a friends arse.
And thats what the NC needed most right now, and sadly they have blown it.
FaceR ape (sniper shadow, TJA)
We are covering those as you will see, this right now is the big story, there was an RMT week we had, this is the End of the NC week, then is prolly gonna be Delve week.
We are also developing the tools to allow coverage from otherwise "slow-news-day?" comment worthy articles, like this one: http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/06/hunters-den-j…
Apart from that we have been recovering our sources, so little by little we'll spread coverage.
If you cant match the fire power you save your assets for another day. You might win the battle but lose the war anyway at least you have those assets to go an piss in somebody's else's cornflakes. BoB / IT did -A- did so MM, RZR will as well. I am inclined to guess the russians will want all of the tech moons so watch out goons your next
The real question is ……
…. can they hold that space?
You guys say "oh look NC has fallen…. "I say nom nom nom to the new White noise killing fields"
Its about time …
true
new regions fot the redhunt 
Personally I would love to see an end to ALL of the Mega-Coalitions as they really do nothing for the majority of the player base & most if not all of them are involved in RMT activities which should have seen them banned by now! (Makes you wonder if the ladder to the top goes even further than just the player-base that is involved as it wouldn't be the first time a CCP employee did something that could possibly harm the game)
Oh FFS…
1) This is an MMO. That's Massive Multiplayer, not Miscellaneous Monkeys (although sometimes it's hard to tell). That means that if there's a chance to gain an advantage by cooperating, people will generally cooperate. Short of instanced dungeons, the dastardly powers of mathematics will come into effect.
2) Enough of Conspiracy Theory Theater. If you don't have any actual proof to show that folks are involved in RMT'ing, then just stop trolling about it. I know that's the troll meme that en vogue these days, but it's played out.
Proof or STFU.
3) No, seriously, the fact that you can make baseless accusations doesn't mean that you can then posit nonsense about how there's an even further reaching conspiracy that goes "up the ladder" and involves CCP itself.
Enough already.
end is near ??? It's already over…
The downfall of Morsus Mihi and Razor Alliance is the best thing that has ever happened to the north. They have become the very definition of AFK empires. Choking the wealth of a massive tech moon empire, yet too afraid to field weapons of war. Greed and Corruption veiled in Apathy.
So long Vuk Lau, you had the means to dominate the game but you squandered it. Some of the so called B team had been showing up to fight your fights for 2 months, enduring fail FCs and a complete lack of capital support. You destroyed any friendship you had left when you ordered 800 pilots to retreat from your castle. Enjoy the 60 jump freighters of Tech you had stockpiled you greedy fucks and razor, I'm sorry that all 50 of your active pilots are homeless, its going to be hell finding somewhere to put all those bots.
Screw RZR and MM. The got to be fat, lazy bastards who were "powerful" in name only. As you put it, they ran AFK empires. They may bitch about the rampant botting and RMT that the DRF do on an almost industrial scale, but the heads of the NC had their fingers in that pie as well. They just did it on a less blatant scale which publicly calling foul on the practice. They squandered all their isk for real money, and sold caps and supers to the enemy in order to make more real money.
In the end though, those are the guys that made their own REAL wallets fatter at the expense of everyone else in NC. They have personal Isk fortunes and real money, so they're laughing at all the other poor fools doing the work for them.
It's amazing how much a game mirrors real life, especially when real life steps into it (RMT).
You are completely right, MM/RZR kept this image of leadership but they are definitions of a paper tiger.
NCDOT first saw it in Provi when we murdered RZR, and it made us come north earlier than NCDOT has in the past because we saw how weak they were.
All the while the so called "B,C,D" teams were the backbones and they all were talked down to by a handful of "Rulers" who arent worth a damn
Empires rise and fall… nothing new in eve. I am waiting for the moment to see DRF, PL and NCDOT falling. I dont respect DRF for the action, just PL does an honorable PVPjob. But these alliances arent able to handle the north. they are not firm with the regions and will lose them very soon. new coalitions will bring them down.
Thats wishful thinking IMO NC was the most hated group in Eve, I see them moving to Delve and starting to become the new "SC"
But dont bet on the DRF failing in the near future or PL etc.
And you really think NCDOT is not a good Pew group? Evoke?
for the record, there were no drf capitals fielded. in fact the only russians that showed up was a small red alliance bs fleet.
Paging Bountyhunter to this article. How do you see things panning out now?
No troll, I'm genuinely curious as to how you think things are going to go from here on in.
This is a retarded statement to say that the NC didnt want to go out in a last blaze of glory and that they should have engaged, and so is the one about them selling supercaps. If I recall, at the time they were selling those MS, DRF had not yet set its gigantic ambition towards Tribute. And even if that were to be the case, they would have simply bought them from somebody had the NC leaders forbiddon their indies member to sell the supercaps they produce.
As for the "last engagement" that they should have started, what the hell do you mean by aspiring NC pilots and stuff like that ? Great ! Do you realize the moral boost the russian players would have gained from welping an entire fleet like that ? Jee think for one second. Being part of the DC, I for one realized that there was nothing that could be done against DRF. You jump the entire NC Titan / MS fleet on top of theirs and what happens ? They obviously rape you looking at the massive blob they have, maybe you take down a few expensive stuff with you and …. they come back two days later with the replacements for the shit you killed…
Living in Fountain, all I can hope now is for the DRF to stop claiming sovereignties once they've taken Pure Blind (cause if they do set their eyes on it, they'll take it).
I pretty much think that the only thing that will take down the DRF is an intern conflict turmoils or something like that or a gigantic rapeban from CCP for ruining the 0.0 alliance conflicts by using bots 24/7- which provides them with unlimited ressources. Actually, with them soon holding the north, they won't even need the bots anymore. Maybe they should just get banned for being too strong ya know what I mean ?
@Crepes Waouh .
I agree , after the third big supercap battle the strategically concious man in NC knew that the war was lost . After only 2 days from a victory the reds were flying again in two reinbused titans and the supercarrier gap increased . 020 was the Stalingrad (was fun to fight it ), but "enjoying" the road to Berlin and battle of Berlin itself was not appealing at all. Especially when our space was nerfed to levels comparable to empire . As a one year old player i can say i'm curious if that SC blob will kill the goons and the rest of nullsec or turn on eachother .
well goodbye NC. u wont be missed tbh
/me rides into the sunset, goodbye NC scrubs and thanks for making me rich IRL
As a MM member, i think we as an alliance and as NC did the right thing.
Continuing to try and fight was not going to change the whole outcome and yes while we would get "fights" it was too one sided from start to finish. Towards the end, i myself stopped joining fleets that either get whelped or just blue ball. Is it better to throw away everything in a fruitless last stand or just get out while you can. With fleets not even getting filled and imense pressure on HC, FCs and CEOs, it was indeed time to get out.
Morsus Mihi was indeed a changed creature from the many years ago when i joined. The NC was a different animal altogether. Since then, both RAWR and NC became shadows of what they were. We have only our selves to blame for this.
Our thanks must go out to those that stood with us inc but not only Razor, Goons, -FA-, TEST, MH, UF, RAGE and so many others.
We must not forget those who fought against us, so a big wd and gf to DRF, White Noise. , NC. , PL, Merciless. , IRC and others. You fought well and deserved this epic victory.
All things must come to an end, but at the same time things never truely end, they just continue in a different way.
Yes, RAWR are now in empire and moving on to other pastures, removed from our home of several years like whipped dogs with our tails between our legs. The NC is all but ended. But like a phoenix, as long as there is something left in the ashes it can grow again. Maybe not to the same level, but then it can sometimes grow bigger and stronger.
As long as we learn from our mistakes we can take time to heal wounds and remember what we are and remember what we can do. Regain our identity and over time build back our reputation as being able to fight back. This may be a long road, and im sure we face many trials and tribulations along the route, but either way we will return to a power to be reckoned with.
Our move will bring back a hunger in people to fight and remind people its not all about CTAs or even about "good fights" but about fun and friendship. It will also allow changes in the way things are done both internally and also towards external agents of the alliance. These things can only strengthen us.
As a final word, we are Morsus Mihi. We have lost battles and in the end lost this war. But we are not dead, we are RAWR.
well for all ur failures at least mm tried to resist and the same goes for ur poor b-team. what i dont get is why u thank razor.. :S. those morons did absolutely nothing. rzr is best fag alliance 2011 imo. im happy they get erazed from the map as we speak. i wont be happy if i see them down south as blues tho… grrrr
RZR aren't "done" per se, and not moving south. However, RZR deserve to be set red by all former NC corps and alliances. Those fucktards did nothing to help in the North.
While people were fighting to save Tribute, they had their bots running balls-out in Tenal trying to milk their space for all the last isk they could and they were tending to their tech moons in Venal, while quietly and secretly evacuating their stuff so that no one knew they were bugging out. All the while, they were shitting on their pets and demeaning for being "carebears" and not defending the North. In reality, UNIT did FAR more for the NC than RZR did in this war.
The worse is that they're laughing at all of NC, because they're staying in Venal with some Tech moons (at least for the time being), having pulled their pets in there with them as a meat shield while the rest of NC lost everything. I'm sure they'll get hit again and will bounce out, abandoning UNIT along the way to cover them as they run like scared little girls.
Yeah, they're come great bunch of guys right there….
I sort of like how certain topics on EN24's comments sections have essentially become exercises in creative writing and free association.
Let's do some basic fact checking, shall we?
-"Razor did nothing to help the north." : The agreement with NC high command was that while the war was primarily in Geminate/Vale, we'd deploy to Curse and hit Ev0ke and NCDOT to try to draw them off the fight. However, we'd gotten fat and sloppy, and we didn't fulfill our purpose there. By the time the war got to Tribute, we deployed in force to the north to help with the fight.
-"Botting, botting waaah!" : Razor's pilots fought just like anybody else's, it just happens to be that, as per the above, Razor's morale was ridiculously low, and our numbers reflected that fact. Not to mention the fact that our FC corp was severely depleted and most of those who were FC"ing were new(ish) to it or getting back into the swing of things after being out of the game for a while.
-"Seekrit evacuation!" : Yah, that just never happened. We evaced our assets at the last minute, with virtually no preparation.
-"Tech moon treasure trove!" : I don't know what war you fought in, but Razor's moons were hit and taken, just like anybody else's. Just like our CSAA's, our systems, our stations, etc…
-"Also, LOLVenalPlusMoons!" : This is just silly. We evacuated to Venal because it was in between Tenal and Tribute and we could get our assets to a semi-safe area where we could be camped in but the stations couldn't flip. We didn't "pull" any "pets" in with us. I still have no idea why you think our tech moons would last a minute longer than anybody else's. What, Razor has the supercapital fleet necessary to stand against 100+ supers? No.
u guyz r mongos. the nc vs drf is the proncipal event going on these days. therefore correctly mr riverini and en24 write about that. what else should they write about?? tests epic rifter roams or stainwagons boring structure grinding in drone land?
Maybe the Principle event, aka front page, but reading only about that has me wondering whats going on other places. Even our amazing American networks fill me in about other things besides the big story. I am not gonna say that this shouldn't be on here but the lack of most anything else is kinda less exciting than lets say covering all of 0.0.
i personally saw DC fight most of the NC's fights against NC. while MM and the likes where running and standing down
I think you mean tactical loss but a strategic victory
all those "elite pvpers" are 1-2k people per Alliance. Not enough to deal with the nc blob, so they stick together.
Finally, you´re just mad man
well then the "elite pvpers" arent so elite is my point. And while i may be cynical about fighting the combined forces of elite pvp, that doesnt mean i wont fight them, and it doesnt mean i am a raging tearful carebear ;p
Anyone that things GSF and pets aren't next on the Russian radar are fooling themselves. It won't be right away. It may be months. Or even a year of more. But they're coming for Goons as well.
To the vast majority of us, Eve is a game. We enjoy playing the game for various reasons. Some take it more seriously than others, but in the end, it's a game. To the HC of the DRF, Eve is a lucrative real-life business. They make a living out of RMT. As their greed grows, they will require more space to feed their appetite for isk, and subsequently, more real money.
In the end, when you've got someone who's willing to "invest" thousands worth of real money into the game to buy supers and titans and hir PL for his alliance in order to take over space, gamers can't compete with that, even the "mighty" GSF. Eventually, TQ will become just like the Chinese server, where one group of RMTers owns all of 0.0. Only CCP can put a stop to that. However, despite everything, they still make a killing from all this RMT (in terms of accounts paid for by PLEX), so I doubt they're in any real rush to take care of this "problem".
You can always see the true colors of leadership when someone puts the screws to em. At the end of the day, arrogant leadership gets blindsided and curbstomped because they cling to their successes in the past rather than assessing accurately the conditions of the present. Rather than claim their alliance has gone the way of BoB/IT and turned into a shell of it's former self, they'd rather lay blame on the supporters despite being as guilty- if not more so- themselves.
Granted, the NC as an entity exists to protect itself as an entity, and by that token, the NC is deader than a doornail. If they couldn't protect RAGE, they won't be able to protect MM, and so forth. Rather than try to sandwich numbers into a system to counter 50 titans, perhaps they should be counter attacking on the Russian front. Atleast then they'd be doing something war-like.
thats because DC refused to help Rage and Majesta in Geminate. At that point the NC member were fresh and motivated. If DC would have steped in at that point, the DRF could have been stoped. But DC never really intended to help the NC.
Ain't nothing stopping anybody from writing an article and submitting it anonymously for Riverini to post up. Hell, I'd consider making an article about Orphans or LSS but it's high sec so nobody really wants to know
The Collective leaving -A- for Morsus Mihi?
nope:
The Collective
Lo folks,
Some or even most people may already know that we are leaving .-A-. as the news leaked during our corp meeting. Didn't expect anything else really, as people just get high on reaching achievements.
It's there under the Eve menu, Settings > Achievements. "Leak news"
Well done good sir, well done.
Anyways, this is a fact. The Collective, one of the founding corps of Against ALL Authorities, is leaving after 4 years and 4 months of loyal service to our fellow alliance members. We have seen the golden age of AAA, and we have been through shit as well. Now that AAA is strong again, we are comfortable with leaving and doing our own thing.
Despite rumors, we are not leaving to join some already established alliance. So my dear friends, we aim to keep AAA blue for the foreseeable future and leave on good terms.
And so we leave with these words: Goodbye, and thanks for all the kills!
from -A- forums
Its good that you have realized all of the MM and its moronic members are just the "undead ratters" , the only thing that they depend on is their skilless "Shit Blob" , so when things get bad they sucked their own shit into their own ass and run like "Headless Chickens" (do you remember these words). Even DRF havent came to M-00E doors their ratter l33t members pulling all their stuff to empire, specially 4S Corporation members. They have no balls and tactical intelligence to counter the attack the invading force and now they think to hold at Delve , what is the difference between Delve and Tribute, the same END waits you because your shit sucking ISK whoring leaders are the same. MM members thinking that they have fought for their lands but truth is they have fought for their ISK Sucking leaders. They should be happy about it cause this loss will prevent your leaders to buy new cars in 6 months from RMT
"Honey i fucked up my alliance and i need to work in real life, but we'll earn money as before when i settle my alliance in to Delve" (Killer) (Vuk)
Morons they think they'll make a difference by settleing to Delve
No you lie. I know it cause I was there !
Morhus appear to be moving into delve and focusing on black ops. Collective from -A- appear to be living a few systems away too and doing black ops as well. They have been seen in fleet together in the area and appear to have blue standings. -A- is based far away and is neut, what is going on here i ask?
Well, tbh, DRF arent that interested in Tribute. They just wanted vale, and Geminate and they give Tenal to Raiden. and IRC and Branch to White Noise. ATM NCDOT,PL, and MercilesDOT are focusing on Tribute, while Evj0kes and there pest are dicking around in Pure Blind. This is just what currentley is happening, it might change soon.
bait fleet
) main forces was hiding near
Whomever thinks the Russian's will be better for this game think again. I remember flying with Brick and going into Russian space to get a BC type fight and they responded with Supercaps. If that is the direction this game is going in…. Well that is just shit and the North will now become even more stagnant then it was. If anyone thinks otherwise then those people have a serious mental block.
this is, what you deserve, if you are a servant of morsus mimi.
stop being a nc slave and get some balls. conquer your own real tech NAOH!
http://www.eve-razor.com/forum/index.php?action=g…
[00:19:25] 7-drk-antonivs leaves the room
[00:20:01] <rawr-4s-hinata> how much is 60b in $?
[00:20:15] 7-drk-antonivs joins the room
[00:20:18] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> depends
[00:20:23] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> if I give you friendly ratwe
[00:20:25] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> rate
[00:20:26] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> not much
[00:20:30] <rawr-4s-hinata> lol
[00:20:52] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> good old times when I was selling isk 40€ per bill
[00:20:59] <7-drk-antonivs> well 8/120 made it thru the lag at the gate
[00:21:01] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> now if I get 20€ I am happy
[00:22:11] <rawr-fsr-sala-cameron> http://eve-kill.net/…&kll_id=8891089
[00:22:12] <rawr-fsr-sala-cameron> :S
[00:22:57] <rawr-4s-vuk-lau> lol
RZR never had any intention of saving Branch. EVER. Anyone in UNIT who thought otherwise were just fooling themselves.
Consolidate your shit in 1 station in Branch and keep a jump clone there so you can come back and sell it to the new occupants down the road.