The Cosmopewlitan: The End is Near
I would like to preface this perspective article with this with a bold statement:
Morsus Mihi has become the newest and largest Pet of the Northern Coalition. ‘Fear’ has been appointed as the new leader of the NC, sharing leadership duties with the head of the DC
The systematic failure of the Northern Coalition was sealed with the result of last week’s hostilities (or lack thereof) in the WH-JCA solar system in Tribute. A few days ago, Vuk Lau, leader of Morsus Mihi (RAWR), appealed to all of RAWR’s allies for super-capital support for the defense of this single all-important important system with it’s CSAAs and towers.
An Agony Empire reader sent us his account of the “battle” via drop-box:
I’m a member of MM, I thought I’d share with you some of the intel I picked up sitting in fleets for 8 hours. It all started well, there was a great turnout for the the nc and its allies. Test, Goons, even -a- (which were set blue) rallied to come aid us. In the end when first major cssaa came out in q-cab, the drf rallied 50 titans and in excess of 80 super capitals (not confirmed but generally seems to be the consensus) . That is simply too large for the nc/allies fleet to engage, so 5 minutes later all standing fleets were stood down and disbanded. NC can simply not match that many supers, and sees no point trying. Moral is incredibly low right now, talk of evacuation. Q-cab sov is lost. People dont see the point of defending tribute if we sit around for hours and then get blue balled when drf rmt machine drops unstoppable amounts of supers in. However like me a lot of the non-care bearers will stay till the end, until the last system is lost. If we get kicked out of tribute, we will come back, without the care bear isk whore fat OR we will go find some nicer space, which is also been talked about, cough delve, fountain. (just rumors)
The Northern Coalition leadership repeated the mistakes of Bobby Atlas during the siege of 0-W778 where hundreds of pilots rallied to make a last stand against the Russian forces. Some players waited over nine hours on the grid for the attack order – an order that never came as the leaders of one of the mightiest entities in New Eden simply decided to not fight because they believed the odds stacked too far against them.
The Northern Coalition deserves a severe amount of criticism for completely failing to understand the situation before them. This was their H-W9TY and they let it go. This was the long awaited opportunity to tip the balance in favor of the Northern Coalition and they simply let it go in a shameful act of selfishness and mistaken sense of self preservation. Even if the battle were to have ended in a strategic loss for the NC, it could still have become a tactical victory – inspiring NC pilots forward in the same fashion as the Battle of the Alamo inspired the Texan revolutionaries to victory in face of overwhelming odds. Instead, the NC leadership decided to back down and not even fight at all. While this decision probably saved their precious super-capitals, it lost them all of their space in the North and will most likely lead to the failcascade of most of the Northern Coalition.
While many would blame the defeat on the massive super-capital fleet of the Drone Russian Forces (especially with the addition of their RaidenDOT allies’ fleet), it hasn’t been a secret that many Northern Coalition industrialists, most of them from Morsus Mihi, actively built and sold super-capitals on the open market – with many (exact numbers are impossible to calculate) being bought by the DRF. In effect, the NC has killed itself. There is no one else to blame.
It’s easy for the core NC to blame it on the so called NC B/C/D-Team for failing to show up for fleets, but this logic fails when the A team watched silently from the sidelines as Geminate and Vale of the Silent fell with only the B-D teams there to defend. A quick search of this website or services like EVSCO further confirm this as the core of the NC leadership simply decided to watch from afar and expect things to resolve themselves.
Resetting Fatal Ascension has been the latest round of the Morsus Mihi blame game in an effort to keep a fragile alliance from an spectacular collapse. The truth is, Morsus Mihi has long been in far worse shape than it appeared to the general public. This is accentuated now with the resetting of allies in outbursts that appeal more to paranoia than common sense. According to logs (attached later), the reset is grounded in the lack of personal commitment from Zagdul to the Northern Coalition (i.e. spending more time with his Deklein Coalition buddies than with his Northern Coalition allies). Despite the fact that -FA- forces deployed from the Fountain and Cloud Ring regions to help with the Tribute defense. It is implied in the logs that Zagdul’s asking of Killer2 [RAWR] for more money to replenish the -FA- ship reimbursement fund might also have contributed to his dismissal – but at that point, everything degrades to pure speculation.
[spoiler show="Click to see the Logs"]
(9:32:13 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: yo
(9:32:34 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: The reason why you haven’t been invited to any of the leadership channels is because you’ve been busy sniffing up the asshole of TEST
(9:33:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: give me a moment. Any chance you can take a few and come chat with me. We’ve never had a chance to properly meet.
(9:35:17 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I can chat on here, not on TS at the moment though
(9:35:35 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I hate text. I was going to invite you to my voice comms.
(9:36:11 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: sorry, I just kinda woke up so still getting my bearings
(9:56:36 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Well, I have to say your words frustrate the hell out of me. I’ve been breaking this alliance’s back to come up and support the north and quite frankly cannot afford to continue at the pace we’re going. We’ve deployed multiple times to back an effort, where we’ve always been loyal and been a great soldering force. We worked hard when the rest of the NC was up in DRF lands to create a more sustainable buffer to the west by being integral participants in the taking of cloud ring and fountain.
Anyone who participated in these campaigns will attest to our loyalty and dedication to allies. We’ve never asked for anything and worked hard to achieve what we have earned. Our allegiances to who we are faithful to have always been transparent. We’ve been asked to do little, however, of the “Guests” of the north, we’ve done our best to fly under the radar while remaining valued assets. Now, when we get a response like this, it not only kills all the effort we’ve done to support the north, it also doesn’t do anything to support your current situation of poor morale.
We have never been an alliance who kisses anyone’s ass to get where we need to go. We do our best to be good friends hard workers. Anyone who has taken even a moment of their time to address who we are as an alliance will do nothing but speak highly of us.
Now, I’m off for a bit. This was the first conversation I’ve ever had with you and I have to say… we need to do a reintroduction.
(10:05:09 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I don’t really care about the western buffer. Cloud Ring and Fountain were never under the NC’s sphere of influence. Cloud Ring kinda has by default now with WI taking up space there, but the rest can burn as far as I am concerned.
(10:10:14 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But the simple fact is, until a couple of days ago, you have made no attempt to get involved in NC affairs. I have not seen you attend 1 single NC leadership meeting, instead you were too busy chilling with TEST and you’ve made it very clear that your intentions are to be accepted into the Deklein Coalition
(10:11:58 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: wow. sorry we didn’t kiss the NC’s ass hard enough man.
(10:12:24 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this isn’t about kissing anyone’s ass
(10:12:42 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: this is about showing you actually give a fuck what happens to the NC, and I’ve only started seeing this in the last 24-48 hours.
(10:12:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21338
(10:13:09 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20689
(10:13:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20938
(10:13:39 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20909
(10:13:47 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I’ll just keep going
(10:14:04 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19212
(10:17:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This isn’t about FA’s involvement, this is about your personal involvement.
(10:17:45 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Go back and read exactly what I’ve said
(10:18:28 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I have been waiting for you and I to have this chat, because I have to admit I have not been impressed by you.
(10:18:32 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: You’re aware that I just recently assumed CEO of the alliance right?
(10:18:56 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I’m happy to get everything on the table and clear the air though
(10:18:59 PM) [email protected]: This isn’t news to you is it?
(10:20:30 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Not just recently, at least a couple of months now
(10:21:01 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: and these past months have we not been being shot by dudes you tried to invade or defend pure blind?
(10:22:23 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I mean dude, you seem really informed on our participation and performance… so please, enlighten me on how exactly you think we should have either sucked up more or what the fuck ever. I mean… seriouly, sorry we don’t have a lucian to hang on the nuts in our alliance but I’m quite sorry. Fatal Ascension just doesn’t operate that way.
(10:24:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about performance, I want that to be clear.
(10:24:36 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: But up until now, you and I have never had a chat
(10:24:51 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: And this is how you start one?
(10:24:59 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: You wanted to know why you hadn’t been invited into the leadership jabber channel
(10:25:20 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am telling you why
(10:25:48 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Perhaps I could have chosen my approach a little better
(10:26:27 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I am still jet lagged from flying across the other side of the world a couple of days ago
(10:26:59 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: why don’t you sleep it off man.
(10:27:23 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: but regardless of how I approached it, my point still remains. I have not seen you around
(10:27:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I’ll go watch a movie, then maybe you can go back to the few paragraphs I read above… ask around about FA’s involvement then we can start over?
(10:27:43 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is not about FA’s involvement, I don’t know how else to get that message across
(10:27:53 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This is about your involvement
(10:28:06 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: go get informed by the people in pure blind, such as FCON where we’d always help them with thier shit when it was always reinforced.
(10:28:25 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: or MH where we’d constantly help them with their reinforced moons
(10:28:50 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: ask around, we’ll chat later… tomorrow… w/e. but yeah… I’m gonna go watch a movie, hit the sack and sleep on this.
(10:29:16 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: Just ask imperian
(11:03:19 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: As I said earlier, this is not about FA’s overall participation or performance. This is more about FA’s leadership participation when it comes to communicating with the NC. I don’t know how often you speak to Vuk, but you and I have never had a chat. Which is unusual because normally I talk to everyone in the NC. But I have always considered you guys more aligned to Deklein Coalition/TEST than the NC, and that’s because I saw an announcement you made to your membership stating exactly that is your intentions.
(11:04:18 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: hey man. Just don’t sweat it. go about w/e it is you do in RAWR to lead it and we’ll come continue to help.
(11:22:00 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: well perhaps we got off to the wrong start, people tell me you are a decent enough guy
(11:23:37 PM) fa-xscx-zagdul: I wish I could say the same for you dude.
(11:24:58 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: depends who you talk to I guess
Vuk Lau gives his reasons behind the standings reset. Also, this ends in a statement of Gentlemen’s Agreement resetting Morsus Mihi at the end.
2:30:27 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: RAWR is reseting FA for Zagdul being retard tomorrow after DT
2:31:02 AM Kesper North: what?
2:31:04 AM Kesper North: dude
2:31:06 AM Kesper North: seriously?
2:31:13 AM Kesper North: that had a lot more to do with killer2 being retard
2:31:41 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: ^^
2:31:50 AM Kesper North: all FA did was go to killer2 and ask how they could help
2:31:58 AM Kesper North: and instead killer2 took a huge smelly shit on them
2:31:59 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: but still, if people want to stop feet and wave their epeen
2:32:03 AM wi-usny-arkon-hjallian: stomp*
2:32:15 AM Kesper North: and the only thing zagdul did was say “hey, i don’t appreciate how you’re treating me”
2:32:52 AM Kesper North: you should have been THANKING him
2:32:57 AM Kesper North: not saying “hurrr you’re a shitty pet”
2:33:01 AM Kesper North: he was loyal
2:33:04 AM Kesper North: and active
2:33:08 AM Kesper North: and you are shitting on him for no reason
2:34:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not about it
2:34:12 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not about that at all
2:34:26 AM Kesper North: Then what it is about?
2:34:46 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: read up
2:35:35 AM Kesper North: i’ve scrolled up 50% of my buffer and all i see is people lolling about the MH disband troll
2:35:37 AM Kesper North: dude
2:35:41 AM Kesper North: seriously
2:35:43 AM Kesper North: what the fuck
2:35:51 AM Kesper North: what has FA done to incur your wrath?
2:36:00 AM Kesper North: they are your loyal subjects in the most literal fashion!
2:36:14 AM Kesper North: they practically live in fountain yet they refuse to reset you! and still wanted to help!
2:36:44 AM Kesper North: even though killer2 decided to tell them that they were not wanted
2:36:46 AM Kesper North: seriously, idgi
2:37:34 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: (11:30:45 AM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau: RAWR is reseting FA for Zagdul being retard tomorrow after DT
2:37:50 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: he yet states everywhere that he cares about NC
2:37:55 AM Kesper North: “for Zagdul being retard” is pretty fucking vague
2:38:09 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: where FA involvement in NC business were next to none, but I cant really blame him for that
2:38:11 AM Kesper North: yes he does
2:38:23 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but stating he doesnt care about politics only ifghting
2:38:45 AM Kesper North: but vuk
2:38:47 AM Kesper North: he said
2:38:47 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: he is leaking private chatlogs on kugu in order for him to looks awesome
2:38:53 AM Kesper North: “i want to be more involved and help more”
2:38:55 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I am resetting RAWR for having no FC and spending trillions of tech for stupid stuff
2:39:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I will reset anyone for being such retard
2:39:16 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I dont fucking care what he said
2:39:21 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I know what he is doing
2:39:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: vuk gimme executive so I can fucking kick useless corps
2:39:30 AM Kesper North: you apparently don’t understand simple things like cause and effect
2:39:31 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I dont need suck allies
2:39:35 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: imperian stfu
2:39:41 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: no I am quite serious
2:39:46 AM Kesper North: WE DON’T NEED SUCH BLUES MAKING LAG WORSE
2:39:51 AM Kesper North:
2:39:54 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: 4s is one of them
2:39:57 AM Kesper North: wow, you are so out of touch
2:40:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: maybe I am
2:40:06 AM Kesper North: seriously vuk think about it
42-gcor-riu-stuka [[email protected]/3271178141307761562233] entered the room. (2:40:17 AM)
2:40:25 AM Kesper North: PREVIOUSLY, FA might have been irrelevant
2:40:31 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: at least now when NC will cease to exist
2:40:50 AM Kesper North: then one day, their leader comes to your 2nd in command and says “all right i want to help you as best i can”
2:40:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I can reset all the fucktards who were shittalking about my alliance
2:41:00 AM Kesper North: and your 2nd in command says “whatever faggot, i don’t give a shit”
2:41:08 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: they got a good point imo
2:41:09 AM Kesper North: so what is that leader then supposed to do?
2:41:11 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and then he goes and leaks chatlogs
2:41:18 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: FOR SURE NOT TO LEAK CHATLOGS ON KUGU
2:41:27 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: thats actually true
2:41:54 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: jesus. I leak a lot of ( useless stuff ) from here but that shit on kugu is on the edge
2:41:59 AM Kesper North: you’re redirecting
2:42:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: no I am not
2:42:13 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you are missing the point
2:42:14 AM Kesper North: the fact of the matter is that killer2 was way off the fucking reservation when he said that shit
2:42:21 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: so?
2:42:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: anyways, I am creating a new alliance and need an alliance leader for it, anyone up for it ?
2:42:39 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: can you imagine how many shit I got from majority of people here
2:42:42 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: including you
2:42:49 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: ( official alliance leader is gonna be Korenchkin )
2:42:51 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: did I leaked any of those chatlogs to fucking Pl
2:42:59 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: while stating I dont care about politics
2:43:22 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but still acting like the real fucked up politician
2:43:49 AM Kesper North: so i will concede that leaking private chatlogs may be ~dirty pool~
2:43:51 AM Kesper North: but
2:44:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: there is no but
2:44:14 AM Kesper North: killer2 did not treat your allies in a way that inclines them to continue to be your allies
2:44:15 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: btw
2:44:22 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I have like 4gb chatlogs from jabber
2:44:29 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: since 2008
2:44:35 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I will RMT them to PL
2:44:42 AM Kesper North: vuk, if you will condone killer2′s actions in this, the collapse of your coalition is your own fault
2:44:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: haha
2:44:55 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: if you had a private convo with me that you dont wanna have leaked, pay me 1bil
2:44:58 AM Kesper North: because the only thing he did in that convo was alienate a willing ally
2:44:58 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: dont try to twist things
2:45:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: yeah really good ally
2:45:25 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you dont know what happened later
2:45:28 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: FA is in a better shape than RAWR atm tbh
2:45:29 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: when I talked with Zagdul
2:45:36 AM Kesper North: what happened later?
2:45:38 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: well, even MH is in a better shape
2:45:45 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: exactly
2:45:47 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you dont know
2:45:54 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: anyway
2:45:57 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: why I even bother
2:46:04 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: keep discussing, I will just throw random comments into the conversation, dont mind me
2:46:12 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: aren’t you at work impy
2:46:16 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I am
2:46:33 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: k, just checkin
2:46:43 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: wanna visit me ?
2:46:44 AM Kesper North: well, if you don’t tell me… zagdul will
2:46:49 AM cei-callum545: impy
2:46:57 AM cei-callum545: nevermind
2:46:57 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: sup
2:47:02 AM rawr-4s-killer2: Will wait for Zagdul to leak those logs too
2:47:07 AM Kesper North: so if you want your side of the story heard, it would be better if you tell it
2:47:58 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahahahaha
2:48:04 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: do you think I fucking care?
2:48:06 AM rawr-hirr-imperian: I can tell it !
2:48:15 AM Kesper North: please do! i am most curious
2:48:19 AM rawr-hirr-imperian:
(4:15:52 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: I hope you know what you are doing
(4:16:07 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: but to me it looks like you arent embarrassing only yourself, but also our whole alliance
(4:16:27 AM) rawr-[email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: who else is he broadcasting this to?
(4:20:12 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: well, do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
(4:20:34 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: yup
(4:20:47 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: (12:17:22 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: This isn’t about FA’s involvement, this is about your personal involvement.
(12:17:41 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: Go back and read exactly what I’ve said
(12:18:24 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I have been waiting for you and I to have this chat, because I have to admit I have not been impressed by you.
(12:18:28 PM) [email protected]/1814047901306562680234236: You’re aware that I just recently assumed CEO of the alliance right?
(12:18:52 PM) rawr-4s-killer2: I’m happy to get everything on the table and clear the air though
(4:27:28 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: but basically you are shitting on an alliance which is in a better shape than your own alliance ?
(4:28:52 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I am not shitting on him
(4:29:02 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: He asked if he can be invited into the NC leadership channels
(4:29:35 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and up until now, he has not actively participated in any kind of NC direction. We’ve had countless of NC leadership meetings for a number of months now. FA has not sent anyone (despite having access to the NC leadership forums)
(4:31:09 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: well, FA is more aligned to goons
(4:31:28 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Well, more aligned to TEST really. But that’s the point I am making to Zagdul
(4:31:39 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: They have made it quite clear they want to become full members of the DC, not the NC
(4:32:25 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and that’s where Zagdul’s attention has been lately. Politically aligned to the DC while neglecting anything to do with NC leadership/direction
(4:32:38 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: and whats the problem with that ? look at our leadership and FCs, jesus even I want to be rather in test than MM
(4:32:42 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: and now he comes in, makes 1 post on the NC leadership forums and wants to be invited to all communication channels
(4:33:09 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Not even Goons have access to the NC leadership jabber channel
(4:33:31 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: TEST will fail cascade soon, I wouldn’t waste your time with them
(4:34:45 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: you realize that Fa gave test a finger and told them they gonna stay with the NC ?
(4:35:01 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: I am not quite sure that you have an overview about what is happening
(4:35:07 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Nope, because Zagdul and I have never had a conversation up until now
(4:35:14 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: or you seem to have sources that I dont have
(4:37:26 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I’m well aware of what’s going on
(4:37:42 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: that test and FA are in a better shape than MM ?
(4:37:57 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Yeah, RAWR is sucking balls right now
(4:38:18 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: Which is also why you should come back and start being awesome again
(4:38:41 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: nah, that chapter is over for me
(4:38:55 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: shame really, we could use you right now
(4:39:24 AM) [email protected]/15167197661306519552516698: it wouldnt really make a difference, stuff is fucked for too long to repair it within a month or two
(4:40:33 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: The message I was trying to get to Zagdul is that I am not about to invite someone into the NC leadership channels if they have made it perfectly clear their interests are not with the NC, but more so the DC. And up until 5 minutes ago, that message from FA has been pretty strong
(4:40:57 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I also told him that this isn’t about FA’s performance. This is more about his own personal involvement with NC operations as the FA leader.
(4:41:30 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I don’t think he got that message though, perhaps I didn’t exactly deliver it in the right way as I’m not exactly in the most diplomatic mood (jet lagged)
(4:43:39 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: the other impression I get from Zagdul is that he is more inclined to share FA shit with k.com then he is with sharing with NC leadership. Most of the time I had to find out about FA’s direction and objectives from his posts on kugu.com rather than the NC leadership forums.
(4:44:30 AM) [email protected]/12783737141306630544350224: I mean, that’s his call really but at the end of the day it doesn’t really look good when he’s talking about sov transfers on k.com then 1 day later it’s posted on the NC leadership forums.
2:48:29 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: curiosity killed the cat
rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah [[email protected]/..] entered the room. (2:48:43 AM)
2:48:49 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and he cant leak shit cause ti was not on jabber
2:48:50 AM Kesper North: i’d say the cat is smugly licking its chops atm
2:48:55 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and he didnt recorded it
2:49:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but anyway
2:49:18 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I know to recognize a lying idiots
2:49:48 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: I really dont have anything against FA
2:49:56 AM Kesper North: we were all loyal idiots at one time
2:50:02 AM Kesper North: FA is more loyal than most
2:50:07 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: not to RAWR
2:50:13 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: FA maybe
2:50:17 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: ZAgdul – NO
2:50:20 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: but he is their leader
2:50:29 AM Kesper North: how do you differentiate between an alliance and its leader
2:50:33 AM Kesper North: wait
2:50:40 AM Kesper North: so he went to you and said “how can we help”
2:50:46 AM Kesper North: but he’s disloyal
2:50:55 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahaha
2:51:01 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: so I comes to gents
2:51:05 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and say how I can help
2:51:12 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I didnt do shit till then
2:51:13 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: oh gosh imperian is so seriouse in that convo, it’s disgusting
2:51:15 AM Kesper North: vuk seriously i am getting this whole stalin 1948 vibe from you
2:51:24 AM Kesper North: it’s not pretty
2:51:36 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and I am getting Bush 2008 vibe from you
2:51:39 AM Kesper North: worse yet i have this feeling that it is now 1991 and you have not caught up
2:51:55 AM rawr-4s-killer2: it’s 2011 dude…
2:52:30 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and just for the record
2:53:06 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: its not really that important that FA is being reset tomorrow
2:53:07 AM Kesper North: I also want to point out that it wasn’t Zagdul who posted this stuff in the first place, he quoted a bunch of stuff in gfallies while trying to hold his temper. At which point it became prudent to just send the whole log to alliance leadership, after which it leaked.
2:53:25 AM Kesper North: So I wouldn’t blame Zagdul for it, really. Too many names associated with the issue.
2:53:33 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: when we will reset the rest of the shit-on-NC crew in enxt couple of days
2:53:42 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: hahahahahaha
2:53:57 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you are really dumb kesper and I dont know why are you so fucking anal about defending Zagdul
2:54:08 AM Kesper North: because zagdul is my brosef!
2:54:17 AM Kesper North: he is a standup guy who works hard and is unjustly accused
2:54:19 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: good for you
2:54:30 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: than reset RAWR
2:54:36 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: and stand up for him
2:54:42 AM Kesper North: and i’m really sad to see a guy who i thought was something approximately approaching the light of justice in eve to say things like this
2:54:44 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: like real brosef should do
2:54:52 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: light of justice in EVE
2:54:56 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: dear lord you are so full of shit
2:55:09 AM Kesper North: err, i’m sorry, was i unclear
2:55:16 AM Kesper North: i am resetting you on friday
2:55:24 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: lets disband and remake calling it band of brosef’s
2:55:27 AM Kesper North: that is what ‘resetting the NC’ means
2:55:33 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: every corp is to do wormhole
2:55:41 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: and jita ganking
2:55:57 AM cei-callum545: so we will be the new orphanage?
2:56:04 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: yup
2:56:07 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: we will be awesome
2:56:21 AM cei-callum545: imperian is the new snot snot then
2:57:18 AM Kesper North: anyway, i am greatly distressed to see how you treat your allies, vuk, and even sadder to see the way that your paranoia has affected you to the point of resetting otherwise loyal friends
2:57:23 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: well regardless to all this nonsence, it really boils down to the fact that MM did not pull there weight for the last 5 months and now were fucked, so lets look to whats next appart from whats happened
2:57:45 AM Kesper North: i mean who gives a shit about resetting GENTS, FA were legitimately committed to you
2:57:50 AM Kesper North: and instead killer2 took a dump on them
2:58:00 AM Kesper North: and sure, they got mad about it
2:58:02 AM Kesper North: but jesus
2:58:05 AM Kesper North: this is how you repay them?
2:58:27 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: kesper whats done is done,
2:58:28 AM Kesper North: you have your priorities wrong, my friend
2:58:44 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: move on andlets find something new to do
2:58:59 AM cei-callum545: play farming simulator 2011
2:59:01 AM Kesper North: rawr-tgrad-ronan-teisdari: sycophancy is all the rage in the new world order, i hear
2:59:17 AM Kesper North: gah, all you tgrads sound alike
2:59:26 AM Kesper North: rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: sycophancy, etc
3:00:32 AM rawr-4s-vuk-lau: kesper I think you shouldnt lecture anyone about treating allies and spaceship friends
3:01:16 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: kesper your 3 members in nc fleets leaves you inept in joining this conversation
3:02:34 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: and kesper you need to google the word sycophancy
3:02:46 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: “It suggests someone who brings all kinds of charges and proves none”
3:03:01 AM Kesper North: the primary reason for that is because no one could decide whether we were supposed to be in the north or the south! i literally got conflicting orders every day for two weeks
3:03:27 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: so stay out of it and stop making yourself look bad in a situatuion that you dont need to be in bud
3:03:40 AM rawr-oi-nunu-dagobah: in fact i htijnk im going to do the same
3:04:14 AM Kesper North: i am proud of you for going to wikipedia and reading the etymology section!
3:04:27 AM Kesper North: however you are not adept enough to read the modern usage of the word!
3:04:33 AM Kesper North: 1. One who uses compliments to gain self-serving favor or advantage from another.
3:04:38 AM 42-ukc-reza-najafi: IMPERIAN STOP RL WORK AND COMMENT HERE
3:04:42 AM Kesper North: 2. One who seeks to gain through the powerful and influential.
Despite all Kesper’s efforts, who I can truly say is an honorable gentlemen, the conversation quoted above was more a matter of semantics than an effort to “fix stuff” and the inevitable decision was later announced on Alliance comms:
“MM To Reset -FA-
Sent: 2011.06.02 17:13
To: Fatal Ascension,
Apparently, MM are mad I didn’t bow down to the leadership and tell them how awesome they nor did I give a fuck about NC politics and didn’t attend their leadership meetings.
So they’re going to reset us, even though we’ve pledged to assist them till they die.
If you have assets in a Morsus Mihi station, you’ve got till downtime tomorrow to get it out.
One would expect an alliance who has been holding a region for almost five years to actually try and make a serious stand to the last man just to “save face” if nothing else. But apparently, despite having profited from a region which up to 10 months ago has been the most profitable moon region in New Eden, the leadership seems to want to simply abandon it without a fight:
I’d like to settle the rumours about the future of Morsus Mihi and what impact this will have to our friends in the Northern Coalition. Some of you might have already heard that we are evacuating Tribute and moving to Delve. This is true.
Morsus Mihi needs to take this time to do our own thing and rebuild from the ground up. We are far from dead however there is a significant amount of work that needs to be done as we have become complacent over the last couple of years.
With the evacuation to Delve we will reset our standings with the majority of alliances here, with the exception of maybe 1-2 guys. I want it to be very clear although we may end up neutral with each other on the surface, you are (and always will be) considered our best friends forever. I am looking forward to working with you all again once we get our shit together.
Deputy Leader, Morsus Mihi.
While the future of Morsus Mihi (and the NC) has been revealed, some questions remains about the status of the near bottomless wallets of their leaders – one of which has long been accused of RMT charges (and whose february 17th sperging on NC high command was the basis of our april’s fools “joke”). It also remains to be seen how many corporations will choose to remain in Morsus Mihi after being toppled from the leadership of the Northern Coalition or if GoonSwarm Federation’s leadership, will start downplaying MM’s relevance and move to finally take the lead of the Northern Coalition.
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